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defenceman

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AlexYe said:
IAF future bvr hopes and dreams are on this Astra series of missiles, this variant is mk3 i think
I saw someplaosint replied perfectly
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1952369607647633842


Maybe if they try to mimick one the superpowers they can get the same 'effectiveness' /s ;)
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Hi,
by the way this missile Gandiva when will it be ready to fire and from which AESA MKI
and when by the time any gandiva will start flying china will have something else to
Fire beside PL17 or more lethal for the long range air battle im sure before Indian put their own
AESA or trying to on Su30, they have to buy Su35 or may be Su57 while putting and upgrading
SU30 MKI
thank you
 
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valysre

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I'm sure they can get this missile out eventually. Although, I do imagine once the Gandiva enters true regular service, the successor to the PL-17 will already be in frontline deployment, if the gap in aircraft generations is anything to go by. Tejas is still undergoing design changes, and I don't think the design will be settled before the J-36 and J-XDS enter service.
 
Gloire_bb

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Randomuser said:
This seems to a commonly stated thing which may be a fallacy.

China did it. Therefore India can do it.

Maybe it can. Maybe it cannot. The term middle income trap is reserved for all those countries who had "potential" (a word used by a lot by India for itself) and failed. Now we don't even think of them as taking over. Back in the day Brazil had hope.
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India has a looong way to go until middle income trap, they aren't even at 3'000 usd per capita yet; that's way less than 1/4 of China. Middle income gap is something China itself just about enters.

Even by entering middle income trap, a country of 1.4 billion will become a lot (like economy x4, productivity - way more than that, as India at the moment has just 81% literacy rate and 36% population in urban areas).

You're basically proposing to bet on India unable to reach middle income, when factors that lead current extreme economic growth are essentially free. India's inputs at the moment will sustain this growth by themself; government must more or less avoid collapse to do well. This isn't that high of a bar.
And it's not exactly a good case of future proofing to just hope that the other guy will utterly fail.
 
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Gloire_bb said:
India has a looong way to go until middle income trap, they aren't even at 3'000 usd per capita yet; that's way less than 1/4 of China. Middle income gap is something China itself just about enters.

Even by entering middle income trap, a country of 1.4 billion will become a lot (like economy x4, productivity - way more than that, as India at the moment has just 81% literacy rate and 36% population in urban areas).

You're basically proposing to bet on India unable to reach middle income, when factors that lead current extreme economic growth are essentially free. India's inputs at the moment will sustain this growth by themself; government must more or less avoid collapse to do well. This isn't that high of a bar.
And it's not exactly a good case of future proofing to just hope that the other guy will utterly fail.
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If China is only reaching the middle income trap now after years of uninterrupted double digit growth (something India doesn't have) and being low profile while there was still opportunities to take over manufacturing with no AI, I can only imagine how much worse India will have it. There would basically need to be some complete shift in paradigm from what we currently know. All the major powers would also probably have to be blown up or heavily neutered too. Basically almost none of us will be able to forsee.

It's dumb to ignore India and it's "potential". But at the same time there are limited resources and time. One has to know how to prioritize and the correct weighting to assign worrying about each country. Anyway I better stop before we go off topic here since the focus is on what Indian military currently has or will feasibly have in the near future.
 
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AlexYe

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defenceman said:
Hi,
by the way this missile Gandiva when will it be ready to fire and from which AESA MKI
and when by the time any gandiva will start flying china will have something else to
Fire beside PL17 or more lethal for the long range air battle im sure before Indian put their own
AESA or trying to on Su30, they have to buy Su35 or may be Su57 while putting and upgrading
SU30 MKI
thank you
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Its only going go do its 1st test sometime this year, apparently full production is around 2030-2031 (so prob 2032)
And it also assumes that sukhoi's went through the 'super' upgrade.
So safe to say there China will have something new by then
Gloire_bb said:
India has a looong way to go until middle income trap, they aren't even at 3'000 usd per capita yet; that's way less than 1/4 of China. Middle income gap is something China itself just about enters.

Even by entering middle income trap, a country of 1.4 billion will become a lot (like economy x4, productivity - way more than that, as India at the moment has just 81% literacy rate and 36% population in urban areas).

You're basically proposing to bet on India unable to reach middle income, when factors that lead current extreme economic growth are essentially free. India's inputs at the moment will sustain this growth by themself; government must more or less avoid collapse to do well. This isn't that high of a bar.
And it's not exactly a good case of future proofing to just hope that the other guy will utterly fail.
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Something to keep in mind is that majority of the people's whose income/quality of like that has improved over the years are only the ones who could afford university education, in india's 1.4 billion thats only about 300-400 million people
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Because India went into the IT/service industry first and not into low cost low end manufacturing as much, the bottom 1 billion people havnt seen as big shift into being uplifted.
And Since 2020 the cities in india are seeing reverse-migration, where 42% of workforce was in agriculture in 2019 which in 2024 was up 46% ( and projected to grow more in 2025)
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GiantPanda

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AlexYe said:
Its only going go do its 1st test sometime this year, apparently full production is around 2030-2031 (so prob 2032)
And it also assumes that sukhoi's went through the 'super' upgrade.
So safe to say there China will have something new by then

Something to keep in mind is that majority of the people's whose income/quality of like that has improved over the years are only the ones who could afford university education, in india's 1.4 billion thats only about 300-400 million people
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Because India went into the IT/service industry first and not into low cost low end manufacturing as much, the bottom 1 billion people havnt seen as big shift into being uplifted.
And Since 2020 the cities in india are seeing reverse-migration, where 42% of workforce was in agriculture in 2019 which in 2024 was up 46% ( and projected to grow more in 2025)
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I would say their consuming class is much smaller than 120M (or China's is much larger than 600M.)

On average, they consume between 1/10th to 1/40th of what China does for hallmark discretionary consumer (not staples) items like luxury cars, high end phones or even food delivery mentioned in the chart:
  • Zomato:
    Zomato, as of fiscal year 2023, processed roughly 1.77 million orders daily, totaling 647 million for the year, says a LinkedIn post.
  • Meituan:
    Meituan, in contrast, achieved a peak of 78 million daily orders in August 2023. Furthermore, Tech in Asia reports that they reached a record of 120 million daily orders




 
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