Could everyone please stop jumping on this bandwagon? There's no official confirmation from the customer.
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Lethe
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Some folks may take pride in China's path, I simply observe that it has worked, whereas India's path has not worked. With LCA India is attempting to develop an aircraft that is technically on par with the J-10. Which begs the question: where was India's JH-7? Where was its J-8? India had its Q-5 in the Marut, a very respectable aircraft for the time, but then threw all of that hard-won expertise away. That was not a failure of technology, it was a failure of political-institutional management, and that is the common thread running through every example of India's chronic lack of achievement. The real problems are not technical in nature, and will not be resolved by ToT.
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Didn't J-10 nearly get cancelled due to PLAAF's preference for Su-27 around 1999? Fortunately the project had support from the very top, from Jiang Zemin himself who directed more funding into the project and famously smashed a tea cup in front of PLAAF people who was recommending that J-10 be cancelled to free up funds for more flankers.
Ironically this situation might be a mirror of the case between LCA and Su-30MKI, just with the opposite resolution.
Erm...you are the one speculating that Americans will simply hand over engine technology to Indians. There's not a shred of evidence that will happen.
As for Indians being able to make Al-31FP independently. If Indians can make their own engines for the Su-30MKI, why did India need to order 12 more from Russia last year?
If Indians have "Transfer of Technology" they can make as many as necessary. China doesn't order from Russia when they want more J-11 or J-15s.
The fact is you don't, and your manufacture of Su-30s is limited to assembling them. Just like the Mig-21 and every other Soviet plane you've had.
I can tell you are an Indian despite the small number of posts you've made because of your mendacity and delusion. If you aren't then I apologise.
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I believe what he meant is "Are there India's JH-7 and India's J-8 that actually exist in physical and operational forms?"
Lethe
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The Indian armed services are definitely part of the problem, Navy perhaps less so. They are forever being fettered with brochures from Lockheed Martin et al. and want world-class capabilities in order to address the twin threats of Pakistan/China. I suspect that this is one of the reasons why indigeous Indian projects are so absurdly ambitious at the outset: they are trying to get the services on board and dissuade them from ordering the latest wundermachine from the UK or wherever. Of course, the program then typically falls in a heap and the wundermachines are eventually ordered at ruinous expense anyway.
Alright, deleted more posts here. It looks like people cannot be mature about anything Indian related. btw, this is extremely disappointing from my perspective, because I've seen how certain Indian Defense forums bad mouth Chinese progress. I was hoping that people on SDF would be a little less condescending toward fellow Asians. If you do not have intention to do anything except for unconstructively say India inferior to China, then you probably shouldn't be posting on this thread. It's not helpful to have 2 threads on SDF with pure intention of bashing India.
And to @Tay, we as moderators don't mind different views on this forum as long as you are not too combative and heed to moderator warnings. This is a moderated forum, which means things that cause destructive conversation and off topic discussion can and will be deleted at the discretion of moderators. Please have respect for that as a new member in this forum.
And to @Tay, we as moderators don't mind different views on this forum as long as you are not too combative and heed to moderator warnings. This is a moderated forum, which means things that cause destructive conversation and off topic discussion can and will be deleted at the discretion of moderators. Please have respect for that as a new member in this forum.