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siegecrossbow

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Aren't there safety checks that prevent missiles from being fired? A multi-million dollar missile is a very sophisticated piece of hardware. It is not like a gun that you could accidentally discharge.
 

56860

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Aren't there safety checks that prevent missiles from being fired? A multi-million dollar missile is a very sophisticated piece of hardware. It is not like a gun that you could accidentally discharge.
India is not particularly renown for their safety checks

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ougoah

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Lol at the desperation of Indians to turn this into a "positive" thing for India as usual.

1. HQ-9 batteries aren't known if they are in the area.
2. If HQ-9 was in the area, unknown if they are on alert.
3. If on alert, would they really intercept it? Knowing it's one missile and the fact that it allows Pakistan to be one up on India in terms of reserving right to diplomatic attacks on India if not also reserve justification for military response on India? For one measly missile, Pakistan earns the right for operations against India not to mention this is enormously good in terms of making Pakistan look like a victim while India now looks like an incompetent aggressor.

Of course Indians must assume and assume and make more assumptions to make themselves look good. Pathetic bunch as usual.
 

ougoah

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Now the Iranian ballistic missile attacks on the US airbase yesterday and years ago, does that mean PAC-3 and Patriot are junk and don't work? What about the Iranian cruise missile attacks on Saudi oil refineries with Patriots surrounding the areas literally every angle where those cruise missiles approached and went through.

Indians man.

They also ignored that HQ-9 systems like most SAMs have their radars (as active emitters) switched off during peacetime. They do not want to give away signals for free when they don't expect war. War picks up or at least starts with one attack. After the missile struck something in Pakistan and the government found out about it, it's possible Pakistan mobilised air defences at this point and switched some on (most AD/SAMs are kept off even during war and usually only switched on tactically and when they need to fire on targets).

Perhaps the Indians wanted to see if the Pakistanis would switch them on and how they would respond and react. The Pakistani command sequences in such a scenario. If revealed, Pakistan may want to think about changing that.

However as some have reasonably pointed out, India is unlikely to use such a missile to pull a stunt off just to gather intel on how Pakistan responds and if they switched on AD after alert, whether Indian assets are snooping for signals. Hopefully Pakistan wasn't stupid enough to do that just because of one missile that wasn't even armed - therefore caused no serious destruction.
 

Temstar

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Why not just go for Rafales for navy as well?
INS Vikramaditya lifts are quite small and only really fit MiG-29. I think F/A-18 can just barely fit but it would be an extremely tight squeeze and not really workable in reality. Rafale being unable to fold its wings definitely can not fit through the lifts. Dassault's suggested solution to this problem (and I'm not making the following up to be funny) is why don't you guys disassemble the wings from the fuselage in the hanger, bring each piece onto the flight deck and then reassemble the plane there?
 

Mohsin77

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Perhaps the Indians wanted to see if the Pakistanis would switch them on and how they would respond and react. The Pakistani command sequences in such a scenario. If revealed, Pakistan may want to think about changing that.

However as some have reasonably pointed out, India is unlikely to use such a missile to pull a stunt off just to gather intel on how Pakistan responds and if they switched on AD after alert, whether Indian assets are snooping for signals. Hopefully Pakistan wasn't stupid enough to do that just because of one missile that wasn't even armed - therefore caused no serious destruction.

Did the IAF have any ELINT and SIGINT platforms deployed at the time of the launch?

The PAF would've noticed that activity and the response from Pakistan would've been very different.

This is also why the IAF has no useful intel from this episode. They weren't prepared to gather that intel.
 

GumNaam

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Well, if you read the reactions of Indian nationalists they see this incident as "further proof" of their awesome Brahmos missiles working as intended. They actually mock the Pakistani for "failing" to intercept, and destroy the incoming missile showing that Pakistani Air Defense Shield if there ever was one is useless as well as wholly ineffective, not to mention that it's deficient due to being defended by Chinese made SAM batteries.
indian nationalists are knows as bhakturds for a reason, i.e. turds for brains. they fail to see two simple points:
1. india would not waste its prime and so far only cruise missile to a purposeful crash thus giving Pakistan and opportunity to claim that they shot it down. makes indians look like total fools in front of the world.
2. india would not have targeted a no where area and look like a fool yet again in front of the entire world by claiming that its missile "malfunctioned" on the first first try to cross into another country.

well they ended up looking like fools anyway and here is why.

this was an intentional launch and was headed towards the Rafique Airbase which is near the mian channu region where the missile supposedly crashed, there aim was to hit some target on the Airbase so that they can have an opportunity to jiggle their moobs in celebration while claiming that they are a "supa pawa". The problem is that they picked an Airbase where HQ9s are rumored to be installed. I'm sure indians must've suspected that which is why they programmed their missile to use a well known civil air corridor so that PAF would be hesitant to take the risk of, knock on wood, shooting down an airliner. perhaps the indians suspected that Pakistan would take the long distance shot at 100km and not wait for the missile to come in the clear thus increasing the chances of shooting down an airliner, Well PAF played its cards well; just because its a civilian air corridor doesn't mean there's gonna a passenger plane crossing it every minute. Passenger planes are super subsonic while the brahmos was traveling at over mach 3, was only a matter of time before it passed all the passenger planes and came into an area where any passenger plane would not be at risk..and then, bye bye baby brahmos.

A lot depends of what Pakistan's ISPR says. They claimed that they did not shoot it down although they could have claimed that they shot it down since brahmos had already crashed and was destroyed, it would only make us look awesome in front of the entire world as this would've been the first time that a supersonic cruise missile was intercepted and shot down. But right now, Pakistan does not want it to be known that they are indeed capable of such interceptions, it will only make the indians seek help from the west on how to avoid getting intercepted since I don't think the Russians are willing to help them anymore. unlike the indians, Pakistani Military Establishment has a habit of not announcing its capabilities and keeps its cards close to its chest. They announce things when the time is right, like the nuclear tests for example. Pakistan maintained complete silence over the matter even though it was clear to the world that Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
 
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GumNaam

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Passenger planes are super subsonic while the brahmos was traveling at over mach 3, was only a matter of time before it passed all the passenger planes and came into an area where any passenger plane would not be at risk..and then, bye bye baby brahmos.
sub sonic...
 

Abominable

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indian nationalists are knows as bhakturds for a reason, i.e. turds for brains. they fail to see two simple points:
1. india would not waste its prime and so far only cruise missile to a purposeful crash thus giving Pakistan and opportunity to claim that they shot it down. makes indians look like total fools in front of the world.
2. india would not have targeted a no where area and look like a fool yet again in front of the entire world by claiming that its missile "malfunctioned" on the first first try to cross into another country.

this was an intentional launch and was headed towards the Rafique Airbase, there aim was to hit some target on the Airbase so that they can have an opportunity to jiggle their moobs in celebration. The problem is that they picked an Airbase where HQ9s are rumored to be installed. I'm sure indians must've suspected that which is why they programmed their missile to use a well known civil air corridor so that PAF would be hesitant to take the risk of, knock on wood, shooting down an airliner. perhaps the indians suspected that Pakistan would take the long distance shot at 100km and not wait for the missile to come in the clear thus increasing the chances of shooting down an airliner, Well PAF played its cards well; just because its a civilian air corridor doesn't mean there's gonna a passenger plane crossing it every minute. Passenger planes are super subsonic while the brahmos was traveling at over mach 3, was only a matter of time before it passed all the passenger planes and came into an area where any passenger plane would not be at risk..and then, bye bye baby brahmos.

A lot depends of what Pakistan's ISPR says. They claimed that they did not shoot it down although they could have claimed that they shot it down since brahmos had already crashed and was destroyed, it would only make us look awesome in front of the entire world as this would've been the first time that a supersonic cruise missile was intercepted and shot down. But right now, Pakistan does not want it to be known that they are indeed capable of such interceptions, it will only make the indians seek help from the west on how to avoid getting intercepted since I don't think the Russians are willing to help them anymore. unlike the indians, Pakistani Military Establishment has a habit of not announcing its capabilities and keeps its cards close to its chest. They announce things when the time is right, like the nuclear tests for example. Pakistan maintained complete silence over the matter even though it was clear to the world that Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
Judging by the impact site, that missile was not shot down.

Going forward India really needs to sit down with Paksitan and China. Simply saying my bad, won't happen again isn't enough.

What if they accidently launch a missile during a standoff like Galwan? Millions of people could die because one Indian technician pressed the wrong button or whatever happened. I could make a toilet flush joke here but I'm trying not to...

Maybe some sort of missile site inspection agreement like the provisions in START. Agree to have deployed missiles inspected at short notice to make sure none have warheads attached.
 
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