antiterror13
Brigadier
you forgot 2 things, discipline of soldiers and the level of technology
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you forgot 2 things, discipline of soldiers and the level of technology
disciplined technological superior soldiers don't pelt stone monkeys do.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
You have been reading too much Indian and western media to think China’s actions are ‘adventurism’.
As a general rule, China has no interest in playing the kinds of stupid military misadventure games that India seems to prefer. Probably because it doesn’t need to whip up popularism support for elections every few years.
China has settled all its land boarder disputes expect with India, whereas India has land boarder disputes with just about everyone it has a land boarder with. So who is the expansionist disruptive power really?
China kept its troop levels in the boarders to a reasonable number, whereas it is the Indian side who first started basing significant troops strengths near the boarder, as the former Iraqi Information minister now working for the Indians love to boast about. So again, who is the side increasing tensions?
China would love nothing more than settled, quiet and peaceful boarders, but it knows that with the Indians, appeasement will only invite more ridiculous demands.
It is precisely because China does not want to have to teach another 1962 level lesson to keep the Indians in line that they are being robust in their responses to small probing incursions and provocations.
However, even China’s patience is finite. As we have seen with the SCS, if it gets fed up, it tends to make big, bold and decisive moves to both demonstrate power and resolve, but also to fundamentally alter the tactical and strategic picture as a more permanent means of deterring future petty and meaningless clashes.
The deployments we are seeing now by China is likely such a move. China is putting its fingers on India’s northern jugular and gently tapping asking India if it really wants to go. That’s more than what Modi was banking on, hence the shushing of Indian press and quietly climbing down.
You just need to look at the hardware both sides brought to the table in the most recent standoff to see the gulf in logistics. The Chinese brought a light armour car and had heavy machinery further behind. The Indian troops only had borrowed police riot shields and were reduced to bashing at armour plate with their own helmets.
India is massing troops near the boarder because their poor infrastructure demands it if they want to be able to quickly respond in force. China doesn’t need to because it can redeploy vast numbers of men and material within hours from hundreds or even thousands of miles away within hours.
Modi was probably trying to pull a Trump, and was banking on China not wishing to fight a meaningless boarder skirmish and was probably trying to score some cheap political points to help distract his government’s incompetent handing of the COVID19 outbreak and ridiculously poorly planned and worse executed lockdown.
The problem is that he was trying to bluff with a hand full of nothing while China was holding all the aces and both sides knows exactly what cards each other have. That’s like a guy on a bike trying to play chicken with a bullet train.
His timing is also terrible, as China’s leaders would have been pretty pissed with Trump’s attempted scapegoating of China already, so Modi trying to have a go as well would have touched a raw nerve at a time when Beijing’s patience was at an all time low as it is.
There is also an old Chinese proverb involving a chicken and monkey that spring to mind in this scenario.
You know I'm in absolute agreement with this word for word. But you seem to be sensitive to my liberal use of the word adventurism. Perhaps I should have explained more clearly with disclaimers. After only recently reading about Ladakh and its dispute history, I carry zero sympathy for the Indian side. It is a nation with border disputes with almost every single one of its neighbours but that's irrelevant in consideration for this Indo-China disagreement over Ladakh, a range of grey area zones. When I say China's adventurism, you are calling it a decisive bold move aimed to show resolve and in response to years of India's small and infrequent provocations. It also appears China's only captured half of the disputed area (up to finger 4 - from F8 to F4 inclusive) and leaving India to choose what it wants to do with the rest... at least seemingly for now.
I find it puzzling why China wants to bother with India and engage in flare ups at a time when China's efforts should totally be focused on the chief enemy. The same one that is actually making moves to hurt China... and all the while that enemy is on the ground. It's like that horror movie trope where the protagonist gets a lucky break from the monster/murderer and gets a slight upper hand but instead of beating it down to death while it has this opportunity, it chooses to disengage and run away. Have a glance at RT and Sputnik reporting on what's happening in the US and the failures of their political leadership and to some degree the failure of their entire modern political and economic structure. And keep in mind all the CIA and western agents caught on film teaching HK rioters how to conduct information and guerilla war, how to build explosives and how to engage an authority that has so far been relatively peaceful and soft (compared to the US in just a few days of protesting). Even Russia has been engaging in this opportunity far more than China/CCP.
ohhhh you sad pathetic tryhard. It's like talking to a flat earther calling physicists and engineers morons. No, that analogy is actually granting you way too much credit.Mods... surely calling a spade what it is cannot be considered inflammatory especially considering what it is in response to. At the very most I consider my posts warning worthy at worst. Take a look at mr. sensitive's posts and compare. I know we've been warned but someone here is very deeply hurt and showing his anger in an effort to derail and inflame the thread more than the posts responding.
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
Just how much effort and resources do you think this is costing China? It’s pretty much barely noticeable to China.
To carry on your analogy, it’s like the protagonist taking a split second to wave away a troublesome fly from his face without taking his eyes off the real threat for even a moment
Given the decades the western MSM has invested demonising China and brainwashing its populous to resist all things the Chinese Government says, for Chinese state media to make a big song and dance in support of the protests would probably do far more to convince the protestors to go home then anything Trump might say or do.
As the saying goes, never interrupt an enemy when he is busy making a mistake.
Besides, as I mentioned in a separate thread, there is a chance that these riots would work to Trump’s benefit politically if he plays his cards right. So China might decided to just let Trump do his thing and hope he wins another term, as he is doing far more damage to America’s standing and national unity than the Chinese state media could do with a billion editorials.
antiterror13
Brigadier
again and again ..... I think it missed 1 zero, should be > 20,000 kms
Typical indian fanboy, nothing less