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Deino

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Guys ... let's keep it simple!

I'm neither in the mood nor do I have the time to go thru pages of posts several of them containing nationalism, repeated constant war-mongering & chest bumping.


As such, posting of new developments is fine, but otherwise STOP with any provocation and I promise, the next provocative post, image, LOLOLOL or other comment into this direction leads to an immediate ban of one month!

I have enough! :mad:
 

siegecrossbow

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Wow Indians on social media are so embarrassed by the image of their soldiers got tied up and captured. They are photo shopping a fake Global Times article "Chinese soldiers helped Indian soldier who got injured in avalanche". LOL

The avalanche thing was originally a joke by some people from CJDBY. They were mockingly trying to portray the PLA as civil and peaceful by claiming that the Indians hurt themselves during a landslide and that the Chinese provided immediate medical assistance.
 

Mohsin77

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Ajai Shukla is a former colonel in the Indian army and a journalist. He published this analysis today:


China intrusion can lead to India losing DBO link

PLA troops in the Galwan Valley now overlook the strategic road to Daulat Beg Oldi, giving them the capability to cut it off

By Ajai Shukla
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In what the army is recognizing as a repeat of Pakistan’s 1999 Kargil intrusions, but this time by China in eastern Ladakh, troops of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) continue consolidating their defences in the Galwan River and Pangong Lake areas, up to three kilometres (km) inside territory that the Indian Army has patrolled and claimed for decades.

Just as the Kargil intrusions allowed Pakistani troops to dominate the Srinagar-Zojila-Kargil-Leh highway and threatened to cut off Ladakh from the north; the Chinese intrusion into the Galwan River valley allows PLA troops to overlook the strategic Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi (DSDBO) highway and cut off the army’s lone year-round connection with its isolated “Sub-Sector North” (SSN), at the base of the Karakoram Pass.

PLA soldiers that have established themselves at the mouth of the Galwan River valley at its confluence with the Shyok River are just one-and-a-half kilometres from the DSDBO road. They overlook the road, which winds along the Shyok River valley, and can bring down artillery and missile fire to prevent its use.

The PLA apparently intends to dominate this road permanently.
Even as top Chinese officials declare the issue can be resolved through dialogue, PLA intruders are building bunkers while PLA engineers are connecting their forward troops with China’s formidable road infrastructure on the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

Government sources conservatively estimate that the PLA has captured more than 60 square kilometres of Indian-patrolled territory in the last month – equally divided between the northern bank of the Pangong Lake and the Galwan River sectors.

Chinese troops now block access to several Indian “Patrolling Points” (PPs) along the LAC, which Indian army patrols have regularly visited for decades to assert their claim over the area. Amongst them are PP-14, 16, 18 and 19.

At this time of the year, when the risk of Chinese intrusions is highest, it has been customary for the army’s Udhampur-based Northern Command to move reserve formations into the area, ostensibly for “training exercises”. But this year, reserve troops were retained in their peacetime locations because of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Consequently, there has been a dire shortage of reserve troops to react to the PLA’s multiple intrusions. By the time the northern army was able to move reserves into the area, the PLA had already consolidated its hold over its newly acquired positions.

Army headquarters in New Delhi is coming round to the view that top generals in Ladakh have been caught napping. There is growing talk about replacing the corps commander in Leh, and even the northern army commander in Udhampur.

After the Kargil intrusions of 1999, which an enquiry blamed on “intelligence failure”, not a single general lost his job or was replaced. The army pinned the entire blame on a single brigadier in Kargil.

A retired defence intelligence chief, speaking anonymously, blames the current situation on an intelligence, as well as an operational failure. “The Chinese have always been ultra-sensitive to India expanding its presence in northern Ladakh. That is because this adjoins the Aksai Chin, through which China has constructed its strategic Western Highway that connects Tibet with Xinjiang. When we built the 255-kilometre DBDSO Road through this area, why did the army not deploy troops on the eastern side of the Shyok, especially in the Galwan Valley, to protect the eastern approaches from the Chinese side?” he says.

The officer cites the Chinese intrusion in 2013 into Depsang, in the Daulat Beg Oldi sector, soon after India activated a landing ground there and beefed up troop numbers.

Within the army, there is growing concern that New Delhi will allow the Chinese to retain the territory they have occupied in the last month. In public statements last week, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has already conceded that the alignment of the LAC, and therefore the ownership of territory, is unclear in this area.
 
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Mohsin77

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The following analysis posted today by Sawhney provides more geopolitical and historical background. China offered to resolve this dispute through dialogue, but Modi rejected and annexed the region, thereby unilaterally changing the status quo and triggering China's response.

 

ougoah

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The following analysis posted today by Sawhney provides more geopolitical and historical background. China offered to resolve this dispute through dialogue, but Modi rejected and annexed the region, thereby unilaterally changing the status quo and triggering China's response.


This guy actually knows the real history and assesses everything rather fairly. If he were India's leader or men like him, there'd be a decent chance we'd all be getting along a lot better.
 

AndrewS

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India lies to itself about the LAC then get angry. :) This is crazy. Google maps knows the LAC better than India does evidently, lol. PLA did *not* pass LAC in any of these 3 locations. Anyone can compare pictures from the incidences and look into google map. They are all on the Chinese side of LAC.

Could you post a google maps link and source?
 
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ougoah

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This is probably going to become the noisiest issue out of this Ladakh incident.

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China enjoys a huge trade surplus with India, partly because currently India makes nothing much of interest for anyone in the world and has a deficit with not just China. Take a look online and see for yourself.

If this becomes a growing and here to stay trend, it would deal more damage to China than any Indian weapon. Funny how the same side that claims victory and claims to have thoroughly embarrassed China is also acting like it's been wronged and humiliated. Anyway if this trend continues, India's domestic industry will eventually pick up the slack in time in the lower value end of the chain.
 

by78

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A Chinese training base with replicas of Indian bunker positions.

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berserk

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Tejas fly high and above.

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Look at the improvement in build quality.

With Elta 2052 AESA along with upcoming Uttam AESA and state of the art EW systems and low RCS.this little beast will be unmatched in subcontinent. a good stop gap until MWF and AMCA arrive in future.
I feel sorry for our enemies.after Inducting so many chinese JF BLK 1,2 and now 3.... they still can't match Tejas MK1 in capability. Look like Tejas with its superior radar, sensors ,EW system and pilot will be a nightmare to our adversaries. even f 16 BLK 52 will have hard time facing and surviving AESA equipped Tejas.
I hope Tejas don't take all the glory of spanking enemy during next air battle and left some glory for MIG 21, MIG 29UPG , mirage 2000UPG, SU 30 and other.
 
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