Seems like they need to eliminate their Cold War era planes asap. Wonder why the Rafale tender is taking so long.
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Rafale tender is taking long as Thales is busy manufacturing the RBE2 AA Aesa for the Indian Rafales. The french disn't get them AESAs for themselves yet but hey, 8 billion is a nice figure for 36 french exotics and they are relieved that they can kickstart their own AESA acquisition with the Indian delivery. There are the usual bevy of enhancements specific for Indian. It will be 2023 when the whole lot is finally in Indian hangars.
I thought that the latest Rafale in the French Air force already have AESA?
timepass
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After Balakot, IAF plans to equip Mirage 2000 aircraft with long-range Meteor missiles
The 27 February dogfight showed Indian aircraft were outranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.
Updated: 30 March, 2019 1:14 pm IST
File photo of Meteor missiles displayed in front of German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoon | mbda-systems.com
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New Delhi: The Indian Air Force is keenly considering arming the Mirage 2000 aircraft with potent long-range Meteor missiles as the 27 February dogfight highlighted that Indian aircraft were outranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.
With the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor, the balance will once again tilt in India’s favour the way it happened during the Kargil war in 1999 when the Pakistan Air Force did not dare to close in because India had better air-to-air missiles.
On 27 February, at the Line of Control (LoC), Pakistan’s F-16 fighter jets, armed with AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, or AMRAAM, had targeted
The Indian fighters, armed with R-73 and R-77 air-to-air missiles, could not target the F-16s because they were outranged as the F-16s were fired from a distance of about 45 km from the LoC.
It is only when a Mig-21 Bison, flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, chased an intruding Pakistani fighter jet across the LoC that it got a lock on and shot it down.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi had later that if the IAF had Rafale fighter jets, then the outcome would have been different.
Top IAF officials told ThePrint that it indeed would have been the case.
“Rafale armed with Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor would have been a huge deterrent as no Pakistani aircraft would have dared to come close by at least 100 km,” an official said.
Mirage 2000 armed with Meteors
The IAF, which is upgrading three squadrons of Mirage 2000s, is now keenly thinking about integrating the Meteor on them.
Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor | mbda-systems.com
“The Meteor on the Mirage is something which we are keenly looking into. When the upgrade deal was signed with Dassault Aviation for the Mirages, the Meteor was still in the developing phase. And hence this would be a fresh deal. We are looking into the cost-effectiveness and other issues,” a top IAF source told ThePrint.
The Air Force is looking at a combination of BrahMos NG, Israeli Derby, Meteor, indigenous Astra, R-73 and R-77 to gain aerial superiority.
“There is no class of missiles in Pakistan and China that can match the Meteor at this point of time. However, China is investing heavily on indigenous cruise missiles and long-range missiles. Any missile that China will make will eventually get into the hands of Pakistan,” another IAF source said.
The Indian Air Force had the upper hand during the Kargil war because Pakistan did not have a BVR, but India did. However, since then, they have acquired the AMRAAM, which tilted the balance in their favour.
IAF’s plan for Meteor on Su-30 MKI and Tejas goes kaput
The IAF’s initial plan to equip the Su-30 MKI and the Tejas with Meteor has gone kaput because the European firm, MBDA, refused to integrate them.
The MBDA told the IAF that it cannot integrate the missile, with a range of over 120 km and a no-escape zone of 60 km, on a Russian platform or the Tejas, which uses Israeli radar.
However, following heavy negotiations between the European firm and the IAF, the MBDA has agreed to reconsider once indigenous AESA radar, manufactured by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), is installed on board the Tejas Mark 1A or Mark II
The 27 February dogfight showed Indian aircraft were outranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.
Updated: 30 March, 2019 1:14 pm IST
File photo of Meteor missiles displayed in front of German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoon | mbda-systems.com
Text Size:
New Delhi: The Indian Air Force is keenly considering arming the Mirage 2000 aircraft with potent long-range Meteor missiles as the 27 February dogfight highlighted that Indian aircraft were outranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.
With the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor, the balance will once again tilt in India’s favour the way it happened during the Kargil war in 1999 when the Pakistan Air Force did not dare to close in because India had better air-to-air missiles.
On 27 February, at the Line of Control (LoC), Pakistan’s F-16 fighter jets, armed with AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, or AMRAAM, had targeted
The Indian fighters, armed with R-73 and R-77 air-to-air missiles, could not target the F-16s because they were outranged as the F-16s were fired from a distance of about 45 km from the LoC.
It is only when a Mig-21 Bison, flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, chased an intruding Pakistani fighter jet across the LoC that it got a lock on and shot it down.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi had later that if the IAF had Rafale fighter jets, then the outcome would have been different.
Top IAF officials told ThePrint that it indeed would have been the case.
“Rafale armed with Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor would have been a huge deterrent as no Pakistani aircraft would have dared to come close by at least 100 km,” an official said.
Mirage 2000 armed with Meteors
The IAF, which is upgrading three squadrons of Mirage 2000s, is now keenly thinking about integrating the Meteor on them.
Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor | mbda-systems.com
“The Meteor on the Mirage is something which we are keenly looking into. When the upgrade deal was signed with Dassault Aviation for the Mirages, the Meteor was still in the developing phase. And hence this would be a fresh deal. We are looking into the cost-effectiveness and other issues,” a top IAF source told ThePrint.
The Air Force is looking at a combination of BrahMos NG, Israeli Derby, Meteor, indigenous Astra, R-73 and R-77 to gain aerial superiority.
“There is no class of missiles in Pakistan and China that can match the Meteor at this point of time. However, China is investing heavily on indigenous cruise missiles and long-range missiles. Any missile that China will make will eventually get into the hands of Pakistan,” another IAF source said.
The Indian Air Force had the upper hand during the Kargil war because Pakistan did not have a BVR, but India did. However, since then, they have acquired the AMRAAM, which tilted the balance in their favour.
IAF’s plan for Meteor on Su-30 MKI and Tejas goes kaput
The IAF’s initial plan to equip the Su-30 MKI and the Tejas with Meteor has gone kaput because the European firm, MBDA, refused to integrate them.
The MBDA told the IAF that it cannot integrate the missile, with a range of over 120 km and a no-escape zone of 60 km, on a Russian platform or the Tejas, which uses Israeli radar.
However, following heavy negotiations between the European firm and the IAF, the MBDA has agreed to reconsider once indigenous AESA radar, manufactured by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), is installed on board the Tejas Mark 1A or Mark II
Brumby
Major
You are right. I believe the first install was around 2012.
I don't think they have got all their Rafales equipped with them. Only few of the Rafales have AESA radar. I however,correct my stand as i seem to have implied the french haven't yet got any AESAs. The french wanted money to kickstart their waning MIC. This Indian order is a nice breath of fresh air for them.
The block 52 Vipers have APG-68 ?
Su-30 has a much higher RCS and Pakistan used electronic interference during the attack. Supposedly Abindinan entered Pakistanis territory because he lost contack with his wingman due to interference. The question is why India didn't have the proper countermeasures.
Because they never anticipated a counterattack the next day itself. Pakistan seemed to know exactly when and where the Indian fighters were deployed, their sortie numbers and the relative capabilities of the fighters. Since the airspace was crowded, the usage of SAMs were going to be limited. The terrain is mountainous and it'd be problematic for proper detection.