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PiSigma said:

Brazil has been stuck in the middle income trap for decades.

India is different as it is much poorer than Brazil currently. And considering the population size of China and India, even being a middle income country means it would be one of the most powerful and wealthy nations on the planet.

Right now the GDP/capita of India is around 2k, if it reaches china's current stage of 10k it'll already be much larger than Japan economically.

But if India want to reach true superpower status, it'll need to be able to produce its own weapons instead of depending on medium powers like UK and France for planes and ships. Think of the shame if US had to buy other NATO countries equipment because they can't produce it, never going to happen. Specialised equipment like harriers don't count.

Also, in order to be considered a superpower, it much lead in certain technologies. So far India is no where near the competition.

Russia on the other hand means technology and weapons fields but is just poor due to low population.

One can argue that once India becomes richer, it'll start to spend more on R&d to catch in weapons research and manufacturing and technology research. Considering the number of good Indian engineers I work with everyday, it will probably happen. But India unlike China have a poor industrial base for manufacturing, so might take longer.

I don't think India can be considered a superpower in 2050, economically it will be huge, but tech and manufacturing will take longer to catch up to advanced powers. So I would still only consider it as a great power like China now. But more powerful than UK and France.

Whereas in 2050, only USA and China can probably considered as superpowers based on current trajectories.

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AndrewS said:

Generally agree, but with some caveats.

Russia is poor because it is a very centralised kleptocratic state that sees business as something to be milked, rather than nurtured. This means r&d spending is low, so Russia remains largely a low-tech natural resource exporter. Plus being cutoff from seaports in the global trading system doesn't help.

India's level of R&D spending has been low for decades now and on the current trajectory is going to remain that way. This could change, but there's no concrete indication as of yet.

An India stuck in the middle income trap with the current low levels of R&D spending is essentially a larger version of Brazil, which also struggles to master leading edge technology in most fields.

Note that the Indian engineers you work with are a tiny 0.1% of the population. Then remember that one-third of the Indian population is illiterate (which in India is defined as being able to write your name).

Plus the studies indicate that China and the USA that are set to dominate the coming 4th industrial revolution (artificial intelligence, robotics, rapid prototyping etc). India is nowhere to be seen, despite it's early lead in technology outsourcing.

So India's demographic dividend looks like a mirage to me, as they will have a huge unemployable population.

Plsu I would ignore any concrete projects for 2050. That is just too far away.

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PiSigma said:

I generally agree. But I still think things could change for India. China was considered a basket case back in the sixties as well.

I think with more wealth, India could potentially invest more in r&d and grow. But if they don't, the gap will just get bigger and bigger as USA and China leads, which other G7 nations focus on niche technologies.

Large population is only a positive asset if they are well educated. I'm only saying Indians are no dumber than anyone else. They just need better national education to pull ahead of a lot of countries.

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Updated: November 07, 2015 00:20 IST

New Delhi: Only 4.5 per cent of the population in the country is educated up to the level of graduate or above while a majority of 32.6 per cent population is not even educated up to the primary school level.

According to the census data for 2011 on literacy, workers and educational levels, released by the Registrar General and Census Commissioner of India, literate population who are presently attending any educational institution in the country, below primary occupies the major share of 32.6 per cent.

It was followed by primary (25.2 per cent), middle (15.7 per cent), matric (11.1 per cent), higher secondary (8.6 per cent) and Graduate and above (4.5 per cent).

During the decade 2001-11, improvement is observed at middle and above educational levels and decline in percentage share at lower levels (below-primary and primary).

The improvements at higher educational levels are indication of educational advancement in the country during the decade 2001-11.

The data on workers by five categories of literates namely literate but below matric/secondary, matric/secondary but below graduate, technical diploma or certificate not equal to degree, graduate and above other than technical degree and technical degree or diploma equal to degree or post-graduate degree have also been released.

The data that distributes the population, main workers, marginal workers, non-workers, marginal and non-workers seeking/available for work by literacy status and educational levels separately for total, scheduled castes and scheduled tribes population is also released.

The data reveals that during the decade 2001-2011, there is an overall improvement in literacy status and educational levels of various types of workers and non-workers among total and SC/ST population.

Census 2011 has further exhibited that out of about 55.5 million Marginal workers seeking/available for work in India, the majority of 21.9 million (39.4 per cent) are illiterates followed by 20.9 million (37.6 per cent) literates but below matric/secondary and 8.0 million (14.5 per cent) matric/secondary but below graduate.

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MOHAN GURUSWAMY

Saturday, June 03,2017


NEW DELHI: In January 2017, no sooner the demonetization period was officially over, Chief Statistician TCA Anant informed us that: “The growth in GDP during 2016-17 is estimated at 7.1 per cent as compared to the growth rate of 7.6 per cent in 2015- 16.” He also said that the volatility due to the withdrawal of note has been weathered and that the economy was back on the growth trajectory.

Immediately the full official caboodle, from the PM downwards to the patently ignorant party spokespersons, went to town and said that the ill-effects, if any, of the demonetization was a passing blip and all was well.

What they didn’t tell the nation was that the data on hand was till November 2016, before that singular act of great stupidity was inflicted on the nation. This is typical of how this government uses and misuses data to create the illusion of well-being. It is now known that demonetization cost us much more. India’s GDP growth for the year is officially pegged at 6.1%, a huge fall from the 7.8% claimed for the previous year. Mind you the 2015-16 growth factors in a deflation of 1.4%, which means the nominal GDP growth was only 6.4%. In the real world it is nominal GDP, which is more important as value addition, profits and taxes are computed as they are without adjusting for inflation or deflation.

Demonetization was supposed to be the great big magic wand to clean up the economy, elevate revenues and put us on a higher growth trajectory. None of this happened or is happening. Cash transactions are once again the norm. According to the RBI data the number of digital transactions increased by 100 million to 200 million during 2014-16. This went up to 300 million till November last year.

During the months of November and December 2016 when 86% of the cash was withdrawn the number of digital transactions shot up to well over 500 million. In the first three months since currency curbs were withdrawn the number of digital transactions fell to 350 million. This downward trajectory suggests hitting pre-demonetization levels soon. Tax revenues mostly went up because of additional tax collections on Seventh Pay Commission back dues.

GDP growth is like the number on the speedometer in a car. It tells us at the pace the nation’s economic train is moving. By knowing this we can estimate the distance to the next destination. But suppose somebody tinkered with the speedometer to read more even when at zero? Even when the vehicle is not moving the meter will tell you it is moving, and when it is moving it will tell you it is moving faster than it actually is.

This is what the Modi regime did in February 2015. The GDP growth rate was tweaked to put India on a higher trajectory, giving itself an added 2.2% growth as a bonus. Since it was not real, it was like adding water to milk. Adding this gave us a growth of 7.4% in 2015-16. Without this tweaking it would have been 5.2% in line with the IMF’s forecast. If the Manmohan Singh government had done it a year earlier the growth in its last year would have been a healthy looking 6.9% instead of the dismal 4.7% computed.

Tweaked speed on the speedometer gets caught out when speed and time cannot be reconciled with the distance traveled, and things like fuel consumption. The lack of new jobs, just 210,000 in the organized sector last year, and the falling investment to GDP ratio are some giveaways pointing of a lower speed. But the cacophony of lies orchestrated every day in the media, particularly television, tries to drown out the reality. But like the mismatched readings on speedometer and odometer, the truth cannot be hidden for long.

The GDP 2016-17 is now officially fixed at 6.1%. But take out that 2.2% and it is actually moving at 3.9%, or a good 1% below that in the last UPA year, which left us so despondent that 31% of the country took the economic prognostications of Narendra Modi and Baba Ramdev seriously, to give the NDA a mandate to take us out of the morass.

Several well-regarded economists have questioned the data that the Finance Ministry and the CSO is churning out. Derek Scissors of the American Enterprise Institute who tracks Chinese and Indian economies equates the two when it comes to fudging data. Scissors recently wrote: “Most people from pluralist open societies want to see pluralist, open India do well. For now, however, India has the same level of economic credibility as a country like Vietnam, which publishes GDP, results even before the year ends! World-beating growth? Maybe. Or maybe poorly founded quasi-propaganda.” Even Raghuram Rajan, as the RBI Governor expressed concern about GDP data collection and analysis.

True or false, the figures put out by the government reveals an even more worrisome trend. While GDP growth has slowed down to 6.1% Public Administration and Defence has grown by 17%. These two heads are classified as part of the Services sector. They account for about 15% of Services, which now account for almost 60% of the GDP. When announcing the acceptance of Seventh Pay Commission’s recommendations of an across the board salary boost of 23%, Finance Minister Arun Jaitely said that it will boost demand.

Didar Singh, the Secretary General of FICCI said: “The pay hike of nearly Rs 1 lakh crore for government employees will give a strong boost to the consumer demand and help uplift the growth of the economy.” Clearly spending ever more on its employees is seen by this dispensation as a Keynesian pump priming of the economy. So what is happening here?

I have told this story before. I will say it again as its aptness to describe to our leadership style has never been so exact. The Russians have a great joke on every misfortune they have to endure. One of the best I have heard is about Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev traveling together on a train when it unexpectedly stops. Then come suggestions to fix the problem. Lenin suggests a subbotnik or day of voluntary labor so that workers and peasants can fix the problem. Nothing happens. Stalin puts his head out of the window and shouts that if the train doesn’t move immediately the engine driver will be shot. Nothing happens. Khrushchev then suggests to have the rails from behind put in front so that the train can start moving. Nothing happens. When his turn comes, Brezhnev says: “Comrades, lets draw the curtains, turn on the gramophone and pretend we are moving!”

There is a similar air of eyes shut make believe in this government’s persistent euphoria on the economic front.

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sanblvd said:

Let's lay off India a bit, we know they have problems but I wish them well, and I think its really in India's best interest to stop being so antagonistic towards China. Withdraw your troops, sign border agreement, resolve all disputes.

This way China can stop supporting India's enemy so much, both country can offer each other a lot if they work together instead of being so hostile.

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vincent said:

The problem is India did sign birder agreement with China on the Sikkim section

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