I wonder what's the point in even creating a thread when it is closed to discussion. I wish the Admins would let us discuss freely, and let those members who create flamebait posts be warned and blocked. Why let everyone suffer? I think the admins are being mean and unreasonable.
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Jura The idiot
General
now I'll say something:
I was considering to establish a new thread, something like
'Doklam News: Just Info & Maps'
and I would've been reporting stuff I had seen in the closed thread like 'advance on Delhi', 'generic Viagra', 'Méjico attacking the US', suggestion to seek medical assistance in resolving gender identity of a debater ... until of course the new thread would be closed, too ... anyway I won't do it as I noticed
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>> BREAKING IN!!
China Fired Rockets on Posts of Indian Army in Sikkim area....
160+ Indian Soldiers Killed Several Injured - Media Report . .
It is to mentioned that China has previously warned Indian army to leave Sikkim sector with dignity and peace itself or China will take the step itself to expel Indian Army from the area . . !
Things between the two states are getting pretty bad .
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, Jul 17, 2017
as this would've formally passed as
'Doklam News: Just Info & Maps'
if you still remember what I said in the beginning of this post
there're too many people coming to sling mud
Lethe
Captain
Obviously demographics and economics are related, but demographics are also meaningful in and of themselves. People matter even if they are not "economically productive". They laugh, they cry, they sing, write and die, and together they create the cultures that are our human heritage. Chinese civilisation was a major part of the human story even at its nadir in economic, military, geopolitical terms. And so it is with India (or South Asia).
And India refused to participate in the test ever since. cover your ears and sing lalalala...
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Having too much unproductive mouth to feed, is a burden rather than a blessing. There is no such thing as population dividend.
I don't know why people are hyping India . They are wishful thinking and so remote from reality. Let check the fact in 1950's China and India has the same GDP with all the advantages go to India better infrastructure, No war ravages, good school and civil servant, Surplus in Economy. Yet fast forward China GDP is 5X times India and the gap is not narrowing but instead it is widening. So where is this talk of India becoming the next superpower that is hyped by western press?.I get nauseated . In every indices of Human well being China is way ahead. Just like Brazil the "future country" for ages
Read this article please
, CONTRIBUTOR
PM Modi Calls The World To 'Make In India,' But The Initiative Fails To Take Off
Just months after taking office in 2014, Indian Prime Minster Narendra Modi, standing below an immense logo of a lion, unveiled an economic vision for India to be a global manufacturing power. Investors should rush to “make in India,” he said. He claimed that his strong leadership would usher in economic revival by increasing the share of manufacturing in the country’s gross domestic product (GDP) to 25% by 2025, and creating 100 million new jobs by 2022. He vowed India would train apprentices by the hundreds of millions to service that manufacturing boom, reduce bureaucracy and improve infrastructure, paving the way for foreign investors.
Three years into his five-year term, although parts of India’s $2.3 trillion-strong economy are in better shape today than they were earlier — deficits are lower; businesses face somewhat less red tape — the contribution of the manufacturing sector to GDP is barely 16%, progress in improving the country’s inadequate roads, rail lines and ports has been slow and the rate has fallen. Between, 2014 and December 2016, only 641,000 jobs were created. That is far too few, considering roughly one million people join the labor force every month.
Demonetization effect
Official GDP statistics show first-quarter growth in the economy, at an annual rate, — unimpressive for a big, poor country with much catching up to do. Last November, demonetization the manufacturing sector. In the automobile industry, sales dipped 19% in December, the biggest monthly fall in 16 years. Sales of FMCG products fell 40-50%. The informal sector, which comprises over 80% of the economy, was the worst hit. Hundreds of small units downed their shutters, leaving thousands jobless.
Meanwhile, sectarian strife and instability, a worry in itself, also matters for the economy. Popular columnist Swaminathan S. Anklesaria Aiyar wrote inthat although Modi wants to sell India to the world as a global manufacturing hub, it will not be possible “if India’s fastest growing industry is lynch mobs.”
Also, the recent start of Goods and Service Tax (GST), supposed to create a single market, replacing lots of local taxes with national ones, was good to see, but the system, with six tax rates for different goods, is overly and some in business complain it has been implemented poorly.
Almost nothing has gone as planned to attract investors to make in India.
Sales dipped to 19% in the automobile industry, a month after demonetization. (Photo credit AFP/Getty Images)
Defense manufacturing
“Initially, the Make In India program was mainly focused on defense production, but little has happened there. The local production of big ticket items eludes us. Even as he was announcing this, PM Modi ordered ready to fly Rafale jets in France,” says Mohan Guruswamy, chairman of Centre for Policy Alternatives Society.
According to a new data released by Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), India is the , accounting for 13% of the global total sales between 2012 and 2016. Lockheed Martin Corp and Saab AB have promised to build products in India, but not much has progressed due to red tape, reliance on state-owned companies and constant delays. While a manufacturing unit for assault rifles, a joint venture between India and Israel, was launched this month in Madhya Pradesh, the Army rejected the indigenous guns built by the Rifle Factory Ishapore after they failed the firing tests last month. This leaves India overwhelmingly reliant on foreign imports, mainly from Russia, the U.S. and Israel.
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Comment on this story
Foreign investment inflow
Also, the pitch to encourage foreign companies to manufacture in India by liberalizing Foreign direct investment (FDI) policies has failed. Although the Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion reported that the gross FDI to India jumped to $55.5 billion in 2015-16, which is 23.1% more than what was received in 2014-15, but the from the Reserve Bank of India shows that after an encouraging jump to a record $9.6 billion in 2014-15, FDI in manufacturing actually fell to $8.4 billion in 2015-16. Furthermore, the percentage of FDI flowing to manufacturing, which has been in the range of 35-40% for the past four years, dropped to 23% in 2015-16.
A recentby Institute for Studies in Industrial Development (ISID) revealed that FDI fell by nearly 30% during April-August period of 2016-17 fiscal year. “So far there are no clear indications as to whether Make in India has made a perceptible impact on the manufacturing sector. According to the revised index of industrial production, the manufacturing sector’s annual average growth rate after 2014-15 is less than 4%. In exports as well, the picture is not rosy. In 2016-17 manufactured exports, including petroleum increased 5% but this should be seen in the backdrop of a steep fall in oil prices in the previous year. The average annual growth rate during the last two years also remains negative,” says K.S. Chalapati Rao, co-author of the ISID report and a Distinguished Fellow at the ISID.
Reserve Bank Of India
“The number of investment proposals increased in 2016, but it is yet to reach the peak of 2011 or the grossly reduced figure of 2013 in the pre-Make In India period. There cannot be an FDI policy without an industrial policy that works in tandem with trade and technology policies. Otherwise, industrial policy would merely amount to providing incentives and infrastructure and streamlining of procedures,” Rao adds.
Echoing the same sentiment, Guruswamy points out that “over 60% of FDI into India is of Indian origin. It’s by round-tripping. To me, when India starts looking good to Indians, FDI will start pouring in. We still have too many restrictive laws and policies that make acquisition of land, building, and bank finances problematic. Even our labor laws are inhibiting.”
Yet, because of its plentiful and inexpensive labor pool, global giants such as GE, Siemens, HTC, Toshiba and Foxconn have begun to show interest at manufacturing in India. But that doesn’t mean doing business in India is getting easier. India ranked 130 in the World Bank’s Doing Business survey this year.
“Nevertheless, the interest shown by Foxconn is a hopeful trend. The government should get more proactive in getting a few major businesses into India. A fighter jet factory will not generate much employment. Our focus should be on employment generation.”
I don't know why people are hyping India . They are wishful thinking and so remote from reality. Let check the fact in 1950's China and India has the same GDP with all the advantages go to India better infrastructure, No war ravages, good school and civil servant, Surplus in Economy. Yet fast forward China GDP is 5X times India and the gap is not narrowing but instead it is widening. So where is this talk of India becoming the next superpower that is hyped by western press?.I get nauseated . In every indices of Human well being China is way ahead. Just like Brazil the "future country" for ages
Read this article please
, CONTRIBUTOR
PM Modi Calls The World To 'Make In India,' But The Initiative Fails To Take Off
Just months after taking office in 2014, Indian Prime Minster Narendra Modi, standing below an immense logo of a lion, unveiled an economic vision for India to be a global manufacturing power. Investors should rush to “make in India,” he said. He claimed that his strong leadership would usher in economic revival by increasing the share of manufacturing in the country’s gross domestic product (GDP) to 25% by 2025, and creating 100 million new jobs by 2022. He vowed India would train apprentices by the hundreds of millions to service that manufacturing boom, reduce bureaucracy and improve infrastructure, paving the way for foreign investors.
Three years into his five-year term, although parts of India’s $2.3 trillion-strong economy are in better shape today than they were earlier — deficits are lower; businesses face somewhat less red tape — the contribution of the manufacturing sector to GDP is barely 16%, progress in improving the country’s inadequate roads, rail lines and ports has been slow and the rate has fallen. Between, 2014 and December 2016, only 641,000 jobs were created. That is far too few, considering roughly one million people join the labor force every month.
Demonetization effect
Official GDP statistics show first-quarter growth in the economy, at an annual rate, — unimpressive for a big, poor country with much catching up to do. Last November, demonetization the manufacturing sector. In the automobile industry, sales dipped 19% in December, the biggest monthly fall in 16 years. Sales of FMCG products fell 40-50%. The informal sector, which comprises over 80% of the economy, was the worst hit. Hundreds of small units downed their shutters, leaving thousands jobless.
Meanwhile, sectarian strife and instability, a worry in itself, also matters for the economy. Popular columnist Swaminathan S. Anklesaria Aiyar wrote inthat although Modi wants to sell India to the world as a global manufacturing hub, it will not be possible “if India’s fastest growing industry is lynch mobs.”
Also, the recent start of Goods and Service Tax (GST), supposed to create a single market, replacing lots of local taxes with national ones, was good to see, but the system, with six tax rates for different goods, is overly and some in business complain it has been implemented poorly.
Almost nothing has gone as planned to attract investors to make in India.
Sales dipped to 19% in the automobile industry, a month after demonetization. (Photo credit AFP/Getty Images)
Defense manufacturing
“Initially, the Make In India program was mainly focused on defense production, but little has happened there. The local production of big ticket items eludes us. Even as he was announcing this, PM Modi ordered ready to fly Rafale jets in France,” says Mohan Guruswamy, chairman of Centre for Policy Alternatives Society.
According to a new data released by Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), India is the , accounting for 13% of the global total sales between 2012 and 2016. Lockheed Martin Corp and Saab AB have promised to build products in India, but not much has progressed due to red tape, reliance on state-owned companies and constant delays. While a manufacturing unit for assault rifles, a joint venture between India and Israel, was launched this month in Madhya Pradesh, the Army rejected the indigenous guns built by the Rifle Factory Ishapore after they failed the firing tests last month. This leaves India overwhelmingly reliant on foreign imports, mainly from Russia, the U.S. and Israel.
More on Forbes:
Comment on this story
Foreign investment inflow
Also, the pitch to encourage foreign companies to manufacture in India by liberalizing Foreign direct investment (FDI) policies has failed. Although the Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion reported that the gross FDI to India jumped to $55.5 billion in 2015-16, which is 23.1% more than what was received in 2014-15, but the from the Reserve Bank of India shows that after an encouraging jump to a record $9.6 billion in 2014-15, FDI in manufacturing actually fell to $8.4 billion in 2015-16. Furthermore, the percentage of FDI flowing to manufacturing, which has been in the range of 35-40% for the past four years, dropped to 23% in 2015-16.
A recentby Institute for Studies in Industrial Development (ISID) revealed that FDI fell by nearly 30% during April-August period of 2016-17 fiscal year. “So far there are no clear indications as to whether Make in India has made a perceptible impact on the manufacturing sector. According to the revised index of industrial production, the manufacturing sector’s annual average growth rate after 2014-15 is less than 4%. In exports as well, the picture is not rosy. In 2016-17 manufactured exports, including petroleum increased 5% but this should be seen in the backdrop of a steep fall in oil prices in the previous year. The average annual growth rate during the last two years also remains negative,” says K.S. Chalapati Rao, co-author of the ISID report and a Distinguished Fellow at the ISID.
Reserve Bank Of India
“The number of investment proposals increased in 2016, but it is yet to reach the peak of 2011 or the grossly reduced figure of 2013 in the pre-Make In India period. There cannot be an FDI policy without an industrial policy that works in tandem with trade and technology policies. Otherwise, industrial policy would merely amount to providing incentives and infrastructure and streamlining of procedures,” Rao adds.
Echoing the same sentiment, Guruswamy points out that “over 60% of FDI into India is of Indian origin. It’s by round-tripping. To me, when India starts looking good to Indians, FDI will start pouring in. We still have too many restrictive laws and policies that make acquisition of land, building, and bank finances problematic. Even our labor laws are inhibiting.”
Yet, because of its plentiful and inexpensive labor pool, global giants such as GE, Siemens, HTC, Toshiba and Foxconn have begun to show interest at manufacturing in India. But that doesn’t mean doing business in India is getting easier. India ranked 130 in the World Bank’s Doing Business survey this year.
“Nevertheless, the interest shown by Foxconn is a hopeful trend. The government should get more proactive in getting a few major businesses into India. A fighter jet factory will not generate much employment. Our focus should be on employment generation.”
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
what's the true definition of a superpower anyway?
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Now it is military turn to ratchet up the pressure "India should not harbor illusion as to the resolve of Chinese military to maintain national territory". I am afraid India is sleepwalking into a war
China warns India not to harbor illusions in border stand-off
China's Defence Ministry spokesman Wuqian (R) and Central Military Commission officers including Senior Colonel Lu Yu (2nd L), Zhang Chengwen (2nd R) and Major General Zhou Shangping (center), attend a news conference in Beijing, China July 24, 2017. China Daily via REUTERS
BEIJING (Reuters) - China's defense ministry on Monday warned India not to harbor any illusions about the Chinese military's ability to defend its territory, amid a festering border dispute.
The stand-off on a plateau next to the mountainous Indian state of Sikkim, which borders China, has ratcheted up tension between the neighbors, who share a 3,500-km (2,175-mile) frontier, large parts of which are disputed.
"Shaking a mountain is easy but shaking the People's Liberation Army is hard," ministry spokesman Wu Qian told a briefing, adding that its ability to defend China's territory and sovereignty had "constantly strengthened".
Early in June, according to the Chinese interpretation of events, Indian guards crossed into China's Donglang region and obstructed work on a road on the plateau.
The two sides' troops then confronted each other close to a valley controlled by China that separates India from its close ally, Bhutan, and gives China access to the so-called Chicken's Neck, a thin strip of land connecting India and its remote northeastern regions.
India has said it warned China that construction of the road near their common border would have serious security implications.
The withdrawal of Indian border guards was a precondition for resolving the situation, Wu reiterated.
"India should not leave things to luck and not harbor any unrealistic illusions," Wu said, adding that the military had taken emergency measures in the region and would continue to increase focused deployments and drills.
"We strongly urge India to take practical steps to correct its mistake, cease provocations, and meet China halfway in jointly safeguarding the border region's peace and tranquillity," he said.
Speaking later, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said Ajit Doval, India's national security adviser, would attend a meeting in Beijing this week of security officials from the BRICS grouping that includes Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.
Lu would not be drawn on whether the border issue would be discussed at the meeting, hosted by China's top diplomat, State Councillor Yang Jiechi, meant to discuss multilateral issues.
"China hopes to maintain the peace and stability of the China-India border area, but certainly will not make any compromise on issues of territorial sovereignty," Lu said.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is to visit China early in September for a summit of BRICS leaders.
Indian officials say about 300 soldiers from either side are facing each other about 150 meters (yards) apart on the plateau.
They have told Reuters that both sides' diplomats have quietly engaged to try to keep the stand-off from escalating, and that India's ambassador to Beijing is leading the effort to find a way for both sides to back down without loss of face.
Chinese state media have warned India of a fate worse than its defeat suffered in a brief border war in 1962. China's military has held live fire drills close to the disputed area, they said this month.
China warns India not to harbor illusions in border stand-off
China's Defence Ministry spokesman Wuqian (R) and Central Military Commission officers including Senior Colonel Lu Yu (2nd L), Zhang Chengwen (2nd R) and Major General Zhou Shangping (center), attend a news conference in Beijing, China July 24, 2017. China Daily via REUTERS
BEIJING (Reuters) - China's defense ministry on Monday warned India not to harbor any illusions about the Chinese military's ability to defend its territory, amid a festering border dispute.
The stand-off on a plateau next to the mountainous Indian state of Sikkim, which borders China, has ratcheted up tension between the neighbors, who share a 3,500-km (2,175-mile) frontier, large parts of which are disputed.
"Shaking a mountain is easy but shaking the People's Liberation Army is hard," ministry spokesman Wu Qian told a briefing, adding that its ability to defend China's territory and sovereignty had "constantly strengthened".
Early in June, according to the Chinese interpretation of events, Indian guards crossed into China's Donglang region and obstructed work on a road on the plateau.
The two sides' troops then confronted each other close to a valley controlled by China that separates India from its close ally, Bhutan, and gives China access to the so-called Chicken's Neck, a thin strip of land connecting India and its remote northeastern regions.
India has said it warned China that construction of the road near their common border would have serious security implications.
The withdrawal of Indian border guards was a precondition for resolving the situation, Wu reiterated.
"India should not leave things to luck and not harbor any unrealistic illusions," Wu said, adding that the military had taken emergency measures in the region and would continue to increase focused deployments and drills.
"We strongly urge India to take practical steps to correct its mistake, cease provocations, and meet China halfway in jointly safeguarding the border region's peace and tranquillity," he said.
Speaking later, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said Ajit Doval, India's national security adviser, would attend a meeting in Beijing this week of security officials from the BRICS grouping that includes Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.
Lu would not be drawn on whether the border issue would be discussed at the meeting, hosted by China's top diplomat, State Councillor Yang Jiechi, meant to discuss multilateral issues.
"China hopes to maintain the peace and stability of the China-India border area, but certainly will not make any compromise on issues of territorial sovereignty," Lu said.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is to visit China early in September for a summit of BRICS leaders.
Indian officials say about 300 soldiers from either side are facing each other about 150 meters (yards) apart on the plateau.
They have told Reuters that both sides' diplomats have quietly engaged to try to keep the stand-off from escalating, and that India's ambassador to Beijing is leading the effort to find a way for both sides to back down without loss of face.
Chinese state media have warned India of a fate worse than its defeat suffered in a brief border war in 1962. China's military has held live fire drills close to the disputed area, they said this month.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
It is not angst as angst can only be initiated by real data; it is that the US is the lone superpower now and China is the lone rising superpower. Russia has shown the potential but their problem is that they like building the military more than they like building the economy, which is like a guy who only works out his upper body. To give India such a moniker despite it having achieved such a small fraction of what China has is an insult to China. Just like I don't think the US would have been appreciative in 2000 if someone said that the US was one of top 10 superpowers in the world; it is not angst, but annoyance.
In the mean time, 5-year wise, I see India growing well. The caveat would be them starting a war they can't finish. Outwards of 10, anything can happen. India has always been buoyed by the West as a democracy in Asia to counter China (though even with help, it achieves less than what China achieves while being pushed back and down). What happens when the Western powers realize that they can't stop China from being number 1 so they'd rather tear India down so at least they don't end up raising another Asian power above their own heads? One of many factors that could cause India to hit a brick wall in development leaving them only the hopeful rhetoric of 2017 to remember as the peak of their national achievement. So far into the future, nobody can tell.
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Kwaigonegin riding a twin turbo ZX-14???