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Chandragupt

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Why does a midget always insist he's 6 ft tall? I could never understand that misplaced confidence because it's just delusional.

Dude, you need to realize that India as of now (it could change down the road) isn't at China’s level in any meaningful sense period. There's not a country that's concern about India and that's not because it's the largest democracy nonsense you folks keep on pushing. It's just that in terms of natural strength and potential the one being feared and that's causing your previous colonial master (Britain) and your current one (U.S.) sleep is China.

From China's perspective the development of infrastructures on the countries part of BRI and China’s close neighbors are a great thing for a greater economic integration and business opportunities for Chinese businesses plain and simple. We're never scared to do business with and against any Patel, Kumar, Johnny, Gringo etc...

I hope India keeps building these super duper infrastructures at a faster rate than China so that China won't have to do diddly squat but simply able to export it's products being ordered from internet enterprises like Alibaba using Chinese 5G, from their Chinese made phones, taking Chinese made motor vehicles...
Making railways from Delhi to Bangkok Singapore Vietnam and Cambodia is profitable for all the countries involved including Nepal , Bhutan and Bangladesh
 

ougoah

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Um... India will complete the India to Nepal line sooner because it's a low tech, conventional rail line not going through mountain ranges and only stretching slightly into Nepal? vs China completing its line much later if ever because it's a high speed modern line going through mountain ranges and stretching further into high altitude regions of China and going into the even more difficult terrain side of Nepal?

Plus there are diplomatic difficulties achieving this. Anywho this isn't a priority project for either. Comparing the difficulty is like comparing a child's model water rocket to a rocket that delivers a lunar lander. Like seriously? lol

If the Indian project is a X billion dollar project, the Chinese one is a 100X billion dollar project. Since the returns are doubtful for both (for this particular stretch) I rather doubt China will sink that much money into it.
 

Chandragupt

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Um... India will complete the India to Nepal line sooner because it's a low tech, conventional rail line not going through mountain ranges and only stretching slightly into Nepal? vs China completing its line much later if ever because it's a high speed modern line going through mountain ranges and stretching further into high altitude regions of China and going into the even more difficult terrain side of Nepal?

Plus there are diplomatic difficulties achieving this. Anywho this isn't a priority project for either. Comparing the difficulty is like comparing a child's model water rocket to a rocket that delivers a lunar lander. Like seriously? lol
India is making railway tracks deep into Nepal they’re making Raxaul Kathmandu railway line they have plans to extend it further to touch Nepal China border
And remember there are no technical difficulties in making a railway line from India to Singapore there are no huge mountains in between the terrain is easy
 

Chandragupt

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What can I say? Jai Hind!
If Indian railways can reach Kathmandu , Imphal , Moreh and Gangtok crossing extremely difficult mountainous terrain what’s the problem in Reaching Singapore Thailand Vietnam Cambodia these areas are easily accessible from India and Bangladesh via Myanmar
The only problem is the paperwork someone travelling from India to Singapore via roadways or railways has to take visa of multiple countries which come in the way
But this problem can be solved by streamlining the process
Though freight trains can easily operate between India and Singapore no visa or passport needed for freight
 
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ougoah

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Well India should go ahead and do the railway link to Singapore. There really is nothing stopping it except India itself. So far India's built 0km of HSR and a small line to Nepal yet to be completed. India has not got a domestic HSR industry or any of the tech. As for freight link to South East Asia... let's wait until they all sign on and India actually begins working on it before talking about it.

Yeah China has not built a China to Nepal line. But in terms of new freight lines globally and within its own country, what China has already done far exceeds what India even plans to do and talks about doing.

Rail connection to South East Asia, China will start in earnest and complete before India. It may even win out in competition with those countries preferring China do it.
 

Chandragupt

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Well India should go ahead and do the railway link to Singapore. There really is nothing stopping it except India itself. So far India's built 0km of HSR and a small line to Nepal yet to be completed. India has not got a domestic HSR industry or any of the tech. As for freight link to South East Asia... let's wait until they all sign on and India actually begins working on it before talking about it.

Yeah China has not built a China to Nepal line. But in terms of new freight lines globally and within its own country, what China has already done far exceeds what India even plans to do and talks about doing.

Rail connection to South East Asia, China will start in earnest and complete before India. It may even win out in competition with those countries preferring China do it.
My point was that making a railway line from India to Singapore is not a difficult task because the terrain is easy it’s easier than Raxaul-Kathmandu rail line which passes via difficult mountainous terrain of Nepal
The main problem is paperwork and red tapeism in all the countries involved that’s the only thing which is difficult rest everything else will go smoothly
 

Godzilla

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The delusion in this thread is mind boggling lol. In what way is India competitive in building any infrastructure mega project outside of its borders?
What do they bring to the table? financing? technology transfer? cheap materials? Or just cheap labor?
What is in it for the other countries?
How is those lines economically viable, and if not, is the Indian government going to foot the bill? What's stopping them from not paying like every other time?
I can see the benefits for ASEAN stretching the line from Singapore to the coastal regions of Burma, and linking up with China in Yunnan. Going to Bangladesh might be a stretch but workable if their economy continue to develop and are a viable pool of cheap labor.
The way I see it, the only viable way this route can come into being is if Singapore/Malaysia and Thailand push for additional rail capacity after the first connection to China prove to be viable. Then the next stage would be an extension into Burma and possibly completing the loop into Yunnan. Then a next stage into Bangladesh, but this would probably be like 20 years down the track and Bangladesh gets close to where Thailand is today thus presenting a massive market opportunity. After that is complete would the option of connection to India open up, and they will probably just go to Kolkata and the Indians will need to sort out their poor North East themselves.

End of the day, India today isn't fit to lace China's boots when it comes to its infrastructure construction or financing. It might talk a great talk, but its got nothing to back it up, especially when it can't even build out its own networks, let alone competing with China. (Leave it to Japan, Euros & Americans)
 

Chandragupt

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The delusion in this thread is mind boggling lol. In what way is India competitive in building any infrastructure mega project outside of its borders?
What do they bring to the table? financing? technology transfer? cheap materials? Or just cheap labor?
What is in it for the other countries?
How is those lines economically viable, and if not, is the Indian government going to foot the bill? What's stopping them from not paying like every other time?
I can see the benefits for ASEAN stretching the line from Singapore to the coastal regions of Burma, and linking up with China in Yunnan. Going to Bangladesh might be a stretch but workable if their economy continue to develop and are a viable pool of cheap labor.
The way I see it, the only viable way this route can come into being is if Singapore/Malaysia and Thailand push for additional rail capacity after the first connection to China prove to be viable. Then the next stage would be an extension into Burma and possibly completing the loop into Yunnan. Then a next stage into Bangladesh, but this would probably be like 20 years down the track and Bangladesh gets close to where Thailand is today thus presenting a massive market opportunity. After that is complete would the option of connection to India open up, and they will probably just go to Kolkata and the Indians will need to sort out their poor North East themselves.

End of the day, India today isn't fit to lace China's boots when it comes to its infrastructure construction or financing. It might talk a great talk, but its got nothing to back it up, especially when it can't even build out its own networks, let alone competing with China. (Leave it to Japan, Euros & Americans)
The bilateral trade between India and ASEAN alone is more than 78 billion dollars that alone is more than enough to fund and sustain this network of railways and roadways and i am not even adding Bangladesh , Nepal and Bhutan
India has huge trade deficit with ASEAN so this network of railways and roadways will be benificial for ASEAN more than India because India is a huge market for their products
 
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