India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan
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hmm, I won't answer your question UNTILL you have learnt to answer other people's question, it is called mutual respect and decency.
You should read the history of WWII first before you begin the sanctimonious lectures.
It was a vastly different world with totally different underlying historical contexts where historical Nazi Germany and modern day contemporary China have little or nothing to compare. China doesn't have highly militaristic foreign policy like Nazi Germany did. She is not seeking colonies in foreign lands across multiple borders.
It was India that swallowed up Sikkim, in case you missed Sudetenland in your history lesson. Sooner or later, the whole of Bhutan would follow suit with a Sikkim-eque referendum a la little brown men LoL.
See, you need to cover the history you tend to lecture on others. Don't draw a straight line from Nazi Germany modern day PRC. That's propaganda fit only for your beer buddies in weekend cookouts.
Yes China has more muscles now to enforce her territories both on sea and land, even more so than before, regardless of whether you like it or not. And no one is going to ask China to pay for someone else's fantastic beautiful border wall LoL. That's the reality and hard power you seem to disagree.
To follow along the logic of your argument, Japan has no land borders and yet she has disputes with Russia, Korea, China and Taiwan; that's everybody in her neighbor, bar none LoL.
manqiangrexue
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OK first of all, "get it" doesn't automatically make something true. For example, "Get it! Russia is the smallest country in the world!" LOL See? Probably, you meant to say, "I think" whenever you said, "get it." You're welcome for the English correction.
The only reason Germany lost WWII because it was pint-sized and had no lasting power. Even at that size, it put up a big fight. If it was the size of China with Chinese manpower and industrial capability... well... there'd be a lot more German speakers today. China's present and future has nothing to do with that; they are dictated solely by Chinese power and whether it is enough to deter WWIII or if not, then win it.
As far as we go today, if India bungled into this thing without fear of it becoming nuclear, then China, superior in all areas, has far less reason to worry. Wherever India takes this conflict, whatever scope this is to be expanded to, China has the advantage and can subdue India. The only question is, what will happen on China's east coast/border should certain countries over there see China preoccupied with giving India the beat-down of the century?
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broadsword
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Comparing one country to the old Germany is the magical way of blackening that country. Works like a charm. But in this eponymous forum where demonizing China is fair game, that can't be allowed by us.
Kudos to those who have been doing the job, and an excellent one at that. It's not for every Chinese out there. I don't have the time, the eloquence and even the equanimity.
Good job, guys.
Kudos to those who have been doing the job, and an excellent one at that. It's not for every Chinese out there. I don't have the time, the eloquence and even the equanimity.
Good job, guys.
Actually Vietnam, Japan, Philippines, India... have been invading Chinese land so China is and has been the biggest loser. Why didn't you warn these countries off while they were invading China that China might respond to their actions someday and it can lead to war and everyone including them will also be losers?
Equation
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AHEM! Crimea a river there hoss! I believe it is Russian whose acting more like Germany in 1936 with their INVASION of the Crimea peninsula which is NOT even a disputed land. Is that why so many of the former Warsaw Pact states had joined or wanting to join NATO so badly? On 12 March 1999, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland joined NATO; Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, and Slovakia joined in March 2004; Albania joined on 1 April 2009.
Why do people bother with b787. Bringing up india's puny nuclear arsenal is obvious flame baiting. India, a country that flipped a naval vessel in the construction yard. The american experts helping them with their new carrier were woefully critical of indian capabilities. Nirbhay missile project failure, SAM project failure, Arjun 1 (leopard copy), LCA (mirage copy), Kaveri (assistance sought from everywhere), all failures that took 30 years to realise.
I say it's better to suffer a slight nuclear holocaust and wipe india off the map than to back off from losing face to a country like india. Japan recovered from two A-bombs and recovered to become one of the strongest economies with their extremely limited land mass and resources.
If it does escalate to a nuclear war (not actually likely), China has 10 times?? the arsenal of india. Limited ability in shooting down india's and most chinese warheads that can reach every inch of india. Who's going to be greater loser? India just recently developed real delivery abilities.
I say it's better to suffer a slight nuclear holocaust and wipe india off the map than to back off from losing face to a country like india. Japan recovered from two A-bombs and recovered to become one of the strongest economies with their extremely limited land mass and resources.
If it does escalate to a nuclear war (not actually likely), China has 10 times?? the arsenal of india. Limited ability in shooting down india's and most chinese warheads that can reach every inch of india. Who's going to be greater loser? India just recently developed real delivery abilities.
We'll all see in a month or less;
A) India backs off with their tails between their legs. Meanwhile trumpeting some sort of false victory around the world where people really in the know and hold positions of influence can see through. But the roads get built. Precedence of "justifiable" aggression established for future use by China with regards to "assisting" Kashmir, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan. Chinese policy to undermine and destroy india is strengthened. i.e India loses.
B) War ensues at whatever scale and at whatever scale india must lose unless powerful foreign militaries come to india's aid or to stop india from getting destroyed. This is undeniable for a few reasons;
1. China's number of military hardware >> India's
2. China's range of military hardware >> india's
3. China's economy and ability to finance a long war >>>>>>>>>>>> india's (China's is 10 times that of india despite recent higher growth of india's)
4. India imports most of it's weapons and China's ability to prevent or undermine the delivery of those imports far exceeds india's ability to undermine China's building of it's own weapons. China's got the money, the labour force, the factories, and the steel for this. India does not. Once their arsenal is destroyed, it will take years or decades to replace. China's will take weeks and months. But it won't even come to that since China will easily decimate india's forces if no other powers get involved. Forcing india to surrender or use nukes and get nuked back to oblivion and submission seeing as they are a "democracy" their people will rather lose a small confrontation than get baked. Chinese are not willing to lose face to india regardless of cost. And the cost is very little. China can use 10% of its nuclear arsenal if it came to nuclear war which pakistan may get involved in. The rest can be used as deterrence for foreign powers encroaching on the other side. Again, india loses.
A) India backs off with their tails between their legs. Meanwhile trumpeting some sort of false victory around the world where people really in the know and hold positions of influence can see through. But the roads get built. Precedence of "justifiable" aggression established for future use by China with regards to "assisting" Kashmir, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan. Chinese policy to undermine and destroy india is strengthened. i.e India loses.
B) War ensues at whatever scale and at whatever scale india must lose unless powerful foreign militaries come to india's aid or to stop india from getting destroyed. This is undeniable for a few reasons;
1. China's number of military hardware >> India's
2. China's range of military hardware >> india's
3. China's economy and ability to finance a long war >>>>>>>>>>>> india's (China's is 10 times that of india despite recent higher growth of india's)
4. India imports most of it's weapons and China's ability to prevent or undermine the delivery of those imports far exceeds india's ability to undermine China's building of it's own weapons. China's got the money, the labour force, the factories, and the steel for this. India does not. Once their arsenal is destroyed, it will take years or decades to replace. China's will take weeks and months. But it won't even come to that since China will easily decimate india's forces if no other powers get involved. Forcing india to surrender or use nukes and get nuked back to oblivion and submission seeing as they are a "democracy" their people will rather lose a small confrontation than get baked. Chinese are not willing to lose face to india regardless of cost. And the cost is very little. China can use 10% of its nuclear arsenal if it came to nuclear war which pakistan may get involved in. The rest can be used as deterrence for foreign powers encroaching on the other side. Again, india loses.
Heyyyyyy......don't ya folks get it? It's the mighty, all-conquering, thunderous"'BRAHMOS" that is the answer to all of India's enemies, as touted by Indian Media and Fanboys. Every single Tactic, Technique, Weaponry, Fighter Jets, Carriers, Ships, Missiles etc will be wiped out by the mighty "BRAHMOS". No use of planning, no point in developing any Military Industry whatsoever, what's the point of having Nuclear Deterrence, when India the Great can just unleash the mighty "BRAHMOS" at will at the slightest provocation. All countries should just give up and kneel before India the Great, lest they unleash the mighty " BRAHMOS" on ya......!!!!!
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