India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

vesicles said:

That would mean a serious expansion of the current problem. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to expand this further. It's better to contain this as much as possible.

I don't know how many Indian and Pakistani troops are in Kashmir now, but it's not a few hundred. That means China would also have to deploy a lot of troops and equipment to mean anything. That's a lot of resources invested in something that is a huge mess.

How would china get out of it later on? Kashmir is a huge mess. I don't think it's a good idea to get into something this messy.

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If this escalates and China strikes the Indian forces and India literally backs down and and cries, I would let it go. If they dare fight back, I say beat them out of all of their disputed territories and let Pakistan occupy Kashmir. If they can't handle border disputes, then make them have none at all and leave them their scarred new border to remind them to never challenge China again. 1962, 2017, 2050, 3000, they will lose and be embarrassed every time.

b787 said:

do you understand India is a nuclear power? do you understand once WMD are used even in limited scale, all will lose, in 1962, China nor India had nuclear tipped ballistic missiles, today once war starts, you will understand a limited war can easily kill 1/3 of the world's population.

Only mad men can think WWIII is an option.

China only option is cool down seat in the negotiating table and stop the nationalistic talk, once war starts China as well India will lose, well every one on earth

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Do you understand that countries specifically have both nuclear and conventional weapons for a reason? By your logic of nuclear=no go then every country with the means would just build as many nukes as possible and have nothing else. Small conflict doesn't automatically escalate into nuclear Armageddon, not that I believe India has the capability or the guts anyway. India needs to cool down and go home or China will cool them down. India never wins over China. Lions eat antelope; antelope don't eat lions. That is world order.

Or, in a way that you would understand more easily, if everyone on earth doesn't wanna lose then they'd better pull India back.

b787 said:

do you understand India is a nuclear power? do you understand once WMD are used even in limited scale, all will lose, in 1962, China nor India had nuclear tipped ballistic missiles, today once war starts, you will understand a limited war can easily kill 1/3 of the world's population.

Only mad men can think WWIII is an option.

China only option is cool down seat in the negotiating table and stop the nationalistic talk, once war starts China as well India will lose, well every one on earth

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Well, believe it or not, I do have some understanding of what nuclear weapons do.

Keep in mind that Indians started the military action first by sending in army troops. If you want the Chinese to calm down, why don't you blame the Indians for NOT keeping their heads cool when they decided to move in? It's like shouting "no violence" AFTER you punch someone in the face.

The goal is to detain Indian troops without firing a shot. That's why I emphasize to keep the action as limited as possible.

China won't use nukes first but maintain their nuclear deterrence capabilities. India should know this too. Why did the Indians send in their troops and equipment even knowing china is a nuclear power? Didn't they know this might escalate into something serious? Keep in mind that china is only responding.

Note that there is a big difference between attacking India and detaining the trespassing Indian troops inside china. Huge difference!

I don't think china should retaliate India by intruding into Indian territory. Not at all. China does have the right to protect its own territory.

Guy A just punched guy B in the face. I don't think guy B should punch back. However, B should be able to protect itself by holding A's arms so that A can't hit him again.

manqiangrexue said:

Let it start then LOL. I would bet my life that India doesn't have the balls. China = bigger country, bigger economy, bigger/better conventional military, bigger/better nuclear arsenal. China's not going to be the one to back down and India is going to lose and accept it just like they did last time.

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yes dream, believe me in WWIII China as well as India will be the biggest losers, high density populations largest populations, once radiations poison food they will be the biggest losers

manqiangrexue said:

China has them too, bigger, better, more. India had a better chance of winning in 1962.

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go and read about radiation and weather simply read about Fukushima, ,no need to say more, you do not understand reality

b787 said:

yes dream, believe me in WWIII China as well as India will be the biggest losers, high density populations largest populations, once radiations poison food they will be the biggest losers

go and read about radiation and weather simply read about Fukushima, ,no need to say more, you do not understand reality

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Worth it. Living in a world where China backs down to India?? LOL Not worth living.

Let me ask you again (phrased in a more obvious way). Why should a country with more population, more land, bigger economy, superior conventional AND nuclear forces, back down when invaded by an opportunistic smaller nuclear power? If India wasn't afraid of ending up extra crispy when they started this shit, would should China be?

Let's do it this way: Chinese people decide what China does and Russians decide what Russia does. When some midget NATO country surprises Russia and sends a bunch of terrorists to steal a couple square km of Russian soil, you tell Putin you want to back down because the US might use nukes. Chances are Putin already blew them away with artillery before you made your trip to the Kremlin. In the meantime, this is Chinese territory and Chinese matters so I'll thank you for your recommendation but it is not needed.

vesicles said:

Note that there is a big difference between attacking India and detaining the trespassing Indian troops inside china. Huge difference!

I don't think china should retaliate India by intruding into Indian territory. Not at all. China does have the right to protect its own territory.

Guy A just punched guy B in the face. I don't think guy B should punch back. However, B should be able to protect itself by holding A's arms so that A can't hit him again.

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Yeah, that's how I'd fight a woman if she punched me. Maybe China sees India as such an unworthy foe that it would handle it that way but normally if a guy punched me in the face, I'd unleash a series of unfortunate events onto him that probably ends with him being curb-stomped.

manqiangrexue said:

Yeah, that's how I'd fight a woman if she punched me. Maybe China sees India as such an unworthy foe that it would handle it that way but normally if a guy punched me in the face, (assuming he's not much stronger than me, leaving me with no way to fight back), I'd unleash a series of unfortunate events onto him that probably ends with him being curb-stomped.

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Yes, that's exactly how I see India.

And I believe that's how India sees herself as well because she feels that she can do whatever she wants without any consequencces.

vesicles said:

Please answer this: do you blame the Indians for being hotheaded when they moved into Chinese territory 7 weeks ago, while knowing china is a nuclear power?

And why is it wrong for the Chinese to evict trespassers? Do you allow intruders to stay in your house?

Again, I emphasize that I'm not advocating attacking India. Only evicting trespassers.

You better not have double standards...

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have you read History, how WWII started?
in 1936, Germany, was claiming many territories belonging to other nations, does it ring a bell?
the west allowed it for a while until 1939, the rest is history.

if you can not see the trend well is not my problem, i can tell you if WWIII, starts, China will be one of the biggest losers.

james smith esq said:

China might use this, and other, contemporary 'crises' as an opportunity to accomplish a strategic mobilization, building-up its forces on to offensive operations combat-ready levels all contested and critical points at once. Yes, this would be very costly, but it could serve several purposes simultaneously. First, it would give the Chinese leadership a practical/experiential understanding of both this process, and of the Chinese armed forces' abilities in accomplishing this objective. Second, it would demonstrate those abilities while sending a message to 'interested parties' that China has the political, economic, and military will to accomplish and maintain a state of readiness that 'certain others' might find unattainable.

It might also provide Xi with an impressive backdrop to the upcoming party meetings!

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they are probably doing what you are saying. the Youtube videos i watched, i saw alot of civilian trucks pulling PLA equipment. they were not all PLA military trucks so they must have hired help from the civilian transportation sector. so the scale of this buildup must be significant.