Ideal Cruiser thread

[planeman]

I think you guys will have to remember to keep in mind the capabilities of Chinese shipyards and their technological experience. Sure, it is great to use completely new and untested hull designs, but you guys have to remember that Chinese shipwrights may not be as experienced as their Western counterparts with the new hull forms. It may be best to stay within the traditional hull forms for such a design until there is ample proof that the Chinese have experience designing and building such hullforms.

Chinese shipyards have ample experience of multi-hull and wave-piercing hulls, plus there is no reason to presume that they are incapable of water-tank testing. The Type-022 is ample evidence of PLAN's new-found williness o be trend setters rather than 30years behind as was often previously the case.

 

[planeman]

A crusier is too precious itself to be escorting. It's more of the leader of the fleet.
Here's my drawing for my concept design, a Tri-boat. (Note: I am not sure how to draw the propellors and the rudders...actually, the hull...Especially then there is an inlet for a waterjet intergreted with the rest of the propulsion outputs.) I used a waterjet for better steering.
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Dimensions based and modified from Golly's design. Too tall? Too stuffed?(Don't know how to have stealth AND have enough weapon ports)

Lovely design mate.

 

[Pointblank]

Chinese shipyards have ample experience of multi-hull and wave-piercing hulls, plus there is no reason to presume that they are incapable of water-tank testing. The Type-022 is ample evidence of PLAN's new-found williness o be trend setters rather than 30years behind as was often previously the case.

Nothing something this big. Sure, it is easy to design a smaller design using innovative hull forms, but for a ship this large, it brings additional challenges. Until Chinese shipyards churn out a 3,000+ ton multi-hull and wave-piercing hulls, something the size of a frigate or a destroyer. It is easier to gradually scale your designs up than to make large jumps up in scaling in design.

 

[Intrepidsfsu]

Cruisers are more of a 19th century naval power vessel- like battleships of the early 20th and carriers in the late 20th. In the 21st century, navies will be defined by the guided missle, and guided missle cruisers or arsenal ships will be the key to advancing the Chinese navy, by creating ships with advanced guided missles with long ranges.

 

[sumdud]

Thanks, Planeman.
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China builds supertankers routinely and they turn out quality destroyers (in terms of build) In fact on this field photos say it's better than that of Russia.

China may lack direct experience in building big warships, but wait for them to combine the needed skills. When you start building cars, you don't start out building Hondas, and don't dream about Lambos, because you aren't building them. You start out building Daewoos and you build on your skills.

Crusiers should be big. Apart from destroyer specs, a crusier needs to have full C4ISR compability, needs to hold LACMs, and travel far (As the word implies in Chinese- Ocean riding ship). Destroyers can't travel far alone. It being a class above says enough.

 

[Sea Dog]

I agree. China's shipbuilders have proven to me that they can turn out good products. But I still think that the innovation in design will take a number of years to perfect. That's where alot of the deficiencies lie. China has no experience in building large warships, but sumdud is correct. The skillsets are currently being built to do this. I do think that China does have a large potential to get it's shipbuilders up to speed where they can plan, design, test, and field a vessel of this class. But time will tell.

 

[Scratch]

Just for the fun of it I tried to draw a design to see how difficult it would be. To my own amazement, it worked much better than exspected.
I'm not at all very familiar to the construction of (war)ships...
So here is my offer:

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The hull is rather high. I tried to put as much space into it to limit the size of the superstructures, thus reducing angeled surfaces (RCS reduction (?)).
At the top, the hull is sloped back inwards, to further reduce sharp edges.
The drawing should be pretty self explainetory. I was somewhat surprised how much space there was, so I think I made some compartments too small.
I have two "Helipads" at the aft (useless?). The hanger is designed to accomodate 2 Helis (Z-9, Helix), if I made it telescopic it could support more than two Helis or perhaps some UAVs.
Propulsion is two gas-turbines (water cooled).
On top of the hanger is a small RAR for Heli appr. in bad weather.
Forward to the hanger are two 4x YJ-62 launcher pointing in opposite directions.
Forward of these are two MLRS cells for decoys, ASROC like ammo or real small artillery rockets.
There are AESA RARs for areal survilliance, FC RAR could be on the mast. (?)
Then there are 8 round 6x VLS for HHQ-9. The bottom of each VLS can be swept to the aft/front to reload them from below. Next are two 32x cells for HHQ-16.
At each side is a torpedo tube.
And on the bow a 105mm gun. Now that I'm writing it I know I forgot to draw it's ammo storage and things. But you can figure it out.
can't really say what's its displacement and crew numbers.
edit: missing parts I have to add now after posting it: active bow sonar, tow sonar.

Now, to get a better generall understanding of warships, comments please ?

 

[sumdud]

Hmm, I think you would need to enlarge the Type 730s. They are small, but not as small as what I see.
LACM?
Second Mast?
Two helipads are OK, though I think your crusier can fit more than 2 helicopters.

 

[planeman]

Well I think it's a great design, a nice basis for refinement.

 

[Scratch]

Ok, here's the first update of my design:

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Moved the hanger to the aft, so now there's only one Helipad left. Used the free space amidship for the second mast and two additional 4x YJ-62 launchers. These should also be able to fire LACM versions.(?)
The type 730s are not actually shown in this drawing.
It's noteworthy that the actuall deck-level is at the thin black line between the two green surfaces shown in the bottom figure. The upper 2m of the hull, wich are sloped inwards, are actually above the deck level. Thus covering the 730s full and MLRS, the gun and CM launchers partly.
I also added two fire controll radars. (small bulbs on the superstructures)