How will the PLA/PRC get involved in iraq?

Jeff Head

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Re: PLA in Iraq?

Nor I, but what happens when ISIS grabs a few Chinese nationals, torture them mercilessly, and hang their lifeless bodies on lamp posts for the buzzards? I'm guessing a drone strike or two may be the very least we'll see from the PLA.
If the ISIS captures, tortures and then slaughters Chinese nationals...I would expect the calculus to change appreciably as far as China's involvement goes.
 

Blitzo

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Apparently ISIS is preparing to return the Turks that they captured back to their home country.

I'm not sure whether ISIS is willing to directly invoke the wrath of other countries by deliberately harming their nationals.

Then again...
 

A.Man

Major
Obama says, he will not send troops to Iraq.
(If he did not mess with Russia and China, the United States could get helps-more than just few hands.)

Obama says not to send U.S. troops back to Iraq

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WASHINGTON, June 13 (Xinhua) -- President Barack Obama on Friday ruled out sending back U.S. troops and set conditions for aid in helping the Iraqi forces fight Islamist militants who are making rapid gains on the ground.

"We will not be sending U.S. troops back into combat in Iraq," Obama told reporters at the White House South Lawn, acknowledging "significant gains" made by the Islamic State in Iraq and Levant, an offshoot of al-Qaida also known as ISIL, in the past few days.

"Given the nature of these terrorists, it could pose a threat, eventually, to American interests as well," he cautioned.

He said he had asked his national security team to prepare "a range of other options" in support of Iraqi security forces. "I'll be reviewing those options in the days ahead," he added.

The ISIL is pressing on to the capital city of Baghdad after seizing major cities in northern Iraq in recent days, including Mosul, the second largest, and Tikrit, the hometown of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has reportedly asked for American airstrikes against extremist staging areas in his country.

In his South Lawn remarks, Obama said what Iraq is facing "is not solely or even primarily a military challenge." He conditioned U.S. assistance on Baghdad's "serious and sincere" efforts to set aside sectarian differences, promote stability, account for the " legitimate interests" of all of Iraq's communities and build the capacity of the security forces.

"In the absence of this type of political effort, short-term military action, including any assistance we might provide, won't succeed," Obama stressed. "The United States is not simply going to involve itself in a military action in the absence of a political plan by the Iraqis that gives us some assurance that they're prepared to work together."

He said Washington will be monitoring the situation in Iraq " very carefully" over the next few days, with top priority on protecting U.S. personnel serving overseas from "any threats."

The ISIL militants seized the Turkish consulate in Mosul on Wednesday and detained 49 personnel including the consul general.

Some in Washington have blamed the worsening situation on the Obama administration's withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq in December 2011 following an eight-year-old war, after the Arab country refused to grant legal immunity to remaining U.S. soldiers.

The Obama administration expedited the delivery of weapons and ammunition to Baghdad, among them Apache attack helicopters, Hellfire missiles and F-16 fighters, and stepped up training of Iraqi security forces early this year, after the ISIL and other rebels occupied Fallujah and parts of Ramadi, big cities in the western province of Anbar.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Obama says, he will not send troops to Iraq.
(If he did not mess with Russia and China, the United States could get helps-more than just few hands.)

Obama says not to send U.S. troops back to Iraq

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WASHINGTON, June 13 (Xinhua) -- President Barack Obama on Friday ruled out sending back U.S. troops and set conditions for aid in helping the Iraqi forces fight Islamist militants who are making rapid gains on the ground.
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Great, just great. Obama telling our enemies upfront he will not do the one thing, and probably the only thing, Islamists truly fear to reverse ISIS gains and to kick Iran out of Iraq. Someone wake me up! I'm in a terrible nightmare that wouldn't end till January, 2017.
 

Insignius

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Please forgive my ignorance. How big is the ISIL force?

Latest estimations put them to roughly 10.000 strong.

But seeing how 800 of them could route two divisions of 30.000 Iraqi regular troops, and their significant combat experience, ISIS is a real threat.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: PLA in Iraq?

Yes...they had purged those generals a good while before and replaced them.

With Maliki's affinity for Iran, he could not keep them in place because of their ties to the US....that foolish political move has cost him and his nation dearly.
The Iraqi army would also have been hollow in the hands of US selected generals.
 

cn_habs

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Latest estimations put them to roughly 10.000 strong.

But seeing how 800 of them could route two divisions of 30.000 Iraqi regular troops, and their significant combat experience, ISIS is a real threat.

How could 30k American trained men collapse so quickly with Western hardware? They are worse than the Republican guard.
 

Insignius

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Absolutely no will to fight, no unit cohesion and abysmal morale. The republican guard at least had the will to fight, as seen in the gulf war - they just werent good enough. But these Iraqi troops here didnt even have that.

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You have probably all watched this video, but this just shows how victorious ISIS is. They have captured 4500 Soldiers after the battle for Tikrit.
 
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Jeff Head

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Re: PLA in Iraq?

The Iraqi army would also have been hollow in the hands of US selected generals.
That is your opinion, delft, and not at all clear. Besides, it was not just the generals. It was the leadership.

The US trained leadership was gutted. Colonels, captains, and Sr. level non-comms are equally or more important, and they were gutted too.

But it is speculation and not applicable now.
 
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