How will the PLA/PRC get involved in iraq?
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Re: PLA in Iraq?
However, if they needed to conduct an operation to evacuate or safeguard their people...and if it deteriorated to the point that Iraq could not do that, then I believe the PRC would use whatever forces it could muster to evacuate Chinese nationals.
Not a chance in Hades of the PLA becoming actively involved in the fighting up north IMHO.
However, if they needed to conduct an operation to evacuate or safeguard their people...and if it deteriorated to the point that Iraq could not do that, then I believe the PRC would use whatever forces it could muster to evacuate Chinese nationals.
Equation
Lieutenant General
Re: PLA in Iraq?
Like Jeff said boots on the ground by the PLA as to evacuating Chinese nationals but nothing else. I'm surprise the ISIS have gain so much ground so quickly. WTF to all that US and Allied forces training those Iraqi forces, not to mention billions of dollars worth of equipment as well?
Like Jeff said boots on the ground by the PLA as to evacuating Chinese nationals but nothing else. I'm surprise the ISIS have gain so much ground so quickly. WTF to all that US and Allied forces training those Iraqi forces, not to mention billions of dollars worth of equipment as well?
Re: PLA in Iraq?
Shortly put, all the training, all of the money, all of the fine equipment in the world, do not install a firm conviction into the heart of people a willingness to fight and die for principals...or even their own freedom.
That comes from within...and usually because you love something so much more than yourself that you are willing to fight and die for it.
Radical terrorists love their ideology and their desire to spread it by any means necessary more than they love their own life.
They MUST be met by people who love their way of life, their families, their faith or ideas, and their own freedom or sovereignty more than they love their own life.
That's the real issue IMHO.
Well, let's keep this specifically about any potential for Chinese operations...or the posts belong in the Persian Gulf Military News thread.Like Jeff said boots on the ground by the PLA as to evacuating Chinese nationals but nothing else. I'm surprise the ISIS have gain so much ground so quickly. WTF to all that US and Allied forces training those Iraqi forces, not to mention billions of dollars worth of equipment as well?
Shortly put, all the training, all of the money, all of the fine equipment in the world, do not install a firm conviction into the heart of people a willingness to fight and die for principals...or even their own freedom.
That comes from within...and usually because you love something so much more than yourself that you are willing to fight and die for it.
Radical terrorists love their ideology and their desire to spread it by any means necessary more than they love their own life.
They MUST be met by people who love their way of life, their families, their faith or ideas, and their own freedom or sovereignty more than they love their own life.
That's the real issue IMHO.
Blackstone
Brigadier
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Re: PLA in Iraq?
China already has a PAP security detachment in Iraq for its embassy staff. It may extend that operation to cover its oil fields interests if it feels those are under threat.
However, the ISIS crisis has shown just how weak and fragile the Iraqi government's grasp on power and security is, and how shockingly bad moral amongst its troops must be for such a small force of terrorists to make such sweeping advances against what should have been overwhelming technological and numerical odds.
The only way the PLA could prop up such a feeble and apparently unpopular regime is if it assumed the role of occupier from America. That is not something the PLA has any interest or ability to do so far away from home now or in the foreseeable future.
As such, there is no realistic military option for PLA involvement other than to provide site security for oil fields and Chinese workers if it is deemed necessary and China feels the government in Baghdad will endure, or for evacuation, military extraction or hostage rescue missions if China expects the current Iraqi regime to collapse.
China already has a PAP security detachment in Iraq for its embassy staff. It may extend that operation to cover its oil fields interests if it feels those are under threat.
However, the ISIS crisis has shown just how weak and fragile the Iraqi government's grasp on power and security is, and how shockingly bad moral amongst its troops must be for such a small force of terrorists to make such sweeping advances against what should have been overwhelming technological and numerical odds.
The only way the PLA could prop up such a feeble and apparently unpopular regime is if it assumed the role of occupier from America. That is not something the PLA has any interest or ability to do so far away from home now or in the foreseeable future.
As such, there is no realistic military option for PLA involvement other than to provide site security for oil fields and Chinese workers if it is deemed necessary and China feels the government in Baghdad will endure, or for evacuation, military extraction or hostage rescue missions if China expects the current Iraqi regime to collapse.
Re: PLA in Iraq?
I just saw a report on CNN by Wolf Blitzer stating that Iraq's present President ,Jalal Talabani, has replaced all of Iraq's top generals that were trained under the US with his own cronies. I'm guessing there was even more purging of Iraqs armed forces than that.
Like Jeff said boots on the ground by the PLA as to evacuating Chinese nationals but nothing else. I'm surprise the ISIS have gain so much ground so quickly. WTF to all that US and Allied forces training those Iraqi forces, not to mention billions of dollars worth of equipment as well?
I just saw a report on CNN by Wolf Blitzer stating that Iraq's present President ,Jalal Talabani, has replaced all of Iraq's top generals that were trained under the US with his own cronies. I'm guessing there was even more purging of Iraqs armed forces than that.
Blackstone
Brigadier
Re: PLA in Iraq?
So it's back to sectarian tribalism again, except in addition to the pre-2003 invasion of one country under Sadam, we now have Kurdistan in the NE, ISIS in the north, the 'elected' government in the center, Shias in the south, and Iran all over the map. But now ISIS, the one Islamist group that's too cruel even for al-Qaeda, has its bloody little hands on loads of US-supplied military hardware, and $400 million cash from seizing an Iraqi bank. You can't make this stuff up.
So it's back to sectarian tribalism again, except in addition to the pre-2003 invasion of one country under Sadam, we now have Kurdistan in the NE, ISIS in the north, the 'elected' government in the center, Shias in the south, and Iran all over the map. But now ISIS, the one Islamist group that's too cruel even for al-Qaeda, has its bloody little hands on loads of US-supplied military hardware, and $400 million cash from seizing an Iraqi bank. You can't make this stuff up.
Re: PLA in Iraq?
With Maliki's affinity for Iran, he could not keep them in place because of their ties to the US....that foolish political move has cost him and his nation dearly.
But...back to this topic. I believe the PRC can and will use its military to protect its citizens if they think for an instant Iraq cannot or will not do it.
If it gets too bad, you will see them evacuate their citizens just as other nations are doing.
I do not expect the PRC to become actively engaged in the large military operations against the ISIS though.
Yes...they had purged those generals a good while before and replaced them.
With Maliki's affinity for Iran, he could not keep them in place because of their ties to the US....that foolish political move has cost him and his nation dearly.
But...back to this topic. I believe the PRC can and will use its military to protect its citizens if they think for an instant Iraq cannot or will not do it.
If it gets too bad, you will see them evacuate their citizens just as other nations are doing.
I do not expect the PRC to become actively engaged in the large military operations against the ISIS though.
Blackstone
Brigadier
Re: PLA in Iraq?
Nor I, but what happens when ISIS grabs a few Chinese nationals, torture them mercilessly, and hang their lifeless bodies on lamp posts for the buzzards? I'm guessing a drone strike or two may be the very least we'll see from the PLA.
Nor I, but what happens when ISIS grabs a few Chinese nationals, torture them mercilessly, and hang their lifeless bodies on lamp posts for the buzzards? I'm guessing a drone strike or two may be the very least we'll see from the PLA.