How can CHina catch up with the West when its hands are tied?

cmb=1968

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It didn't collapse, it fell over. The building is actually quite sturdy when you look at the photographs. That being said, something must have been missed when they were designing the foundation.

The Foundation is part of the building.
 
It is very easy just divide 4.4 trillion dollars by 1.3 billion people work out around $3200(on PPP basis is about $6600)

No, GDP per capita does not equal disposable income. In China, total salary amounts to only 16% of GDP, as opposed to 50-60% in developed nations.

I would have to disagree with you there Hendrick. Some people may publicize these incidents as a way of mocking China, and others do it because they care for China. I consider myself to be in the second group, and unless one is prepared to talk about it, these scoundrels will think they are getting away with it. A new building collapsing like that is scandalous.

America had far worse issues during its industrial revolution (1860s to early 1910s) then China. These included labor issues, quality control, as well as corruption. The Jungle anyone? It is a natural part of industrialization that EVERY NATION in the world has experienced. Although on a technological, economic, and industrial level China might have progressed much farther than America did at the end of its industrial revolution, the fact is that China still has the institutions and regulatory framework of a nation still undergoing an industrial revolution.
 

cmb=1968

Junior Member
No, GDP per capita does not equal disposable income. In China, total salary amounts to only 16% of GDP, as opposed to 50-60% in developed nations.



America had far worse issues during its industrial revolution (1860s to early 1910s) then China. These included labor issues, quality control, as well as corruption. The Jungle anyone? It is a natural part of industrialization that EVERY NATION in the world has experienced. Although on a technological, economic, and industrial level China might have progressed much farther than America did at the end of its industrial revolution, the fact is that China still has the institutions and regulatory framework of a nation still undergoing an industrial revolution.

China has it easy since the developed world already invested a massive amount of time and money developing the technology china is not superior because it skipped a couple of levels in development it is just lucky.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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I would have to disagree with you there Hendrick. Some people may publicize these incidents as a way of mocking China, and others do it because they care for China. I consider myself to be in the second group, and unless one is prepared to talk about it, these scoundrels will think they are getting away with it. A new building collapsing like that is scandalous.

You may couched your delight at someone tragedy with polite word but that is beside the point

The truth is building or bridge failure happen all the time. Let me remind you of last year Minnesota bridge failure
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Learning from bridge failure
Collapses such as the I-35W in Minneapolis give engineers the best clues about what not to do. Let's hope the lessons are remembered.
By By Henry Petroski
August 4, 2007
The collapse of an interstate highway bridge over the Mississippi River in Minneapolis took everyone, including engineers, by surprise.

We do not expect our bridges to drop out from beneath us, and their designers take great pains to ensure that they do not. Among the surest ways to obviate the failure of any structure is to anticipate all the different ways in which it can fail. Thus, in designing the Minneapolis bridge, engineers had to consider the consequence of a single steel member breaking, buckling or otherwise failing to carry its intended load.

Or as recently as 1960 the spectacular Tacoma bridge failure in Seattle
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Or the recent Paris Airport failure
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INVESTIGATIONS

Airport Roof Failure Blamed on Process
Report on fatal collapse of novel concourse at Paris airport charges systemic flaws in design 2/21/2005

By Peter Reina in Paris

In what amounts to a harsh indictment of the French process for executing complex public projects, investigators have identified two likely reasons for the partial roof collapse at the 650-meter-long concourse at Paris Charles de Gaulle airport last May 23. Systemic flaws in designing the technically difficult building contributed to deficiencies that led to the early morning failure that caused four deaths.

The government-appointed team identified two key failure mechanisms but cannot say which was the primary trigger. The design process was insufficiently rigorous for so complex a structure, investigators said at a press conference on Feb. 15. No detailed, independent analysis was done to check design models
 

cmb=1968

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Or as recently as 1960 the spectacular Tacoma bridge failure in Seattle
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Hendrik_2000 please Read you sources before you post links.
Tacoma narrows bridge collapse happened in 1940 not 1960 the web sight never mentioned 1960 when referring to Galloping gertie.

What building are you people referring to one that collapsed during the Earthquake.
 
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China has it easy since the developed world already invested a massive amount of time and money developing the technology china is not superior because it skipped a couple of levels in development it is just lucky.

I wouldn't call it luck... there are advantages and disadvantages to industrializing late. China is able to progress faster mainly because it offers markets as well as a vast pool of low-cost labor to already developed nations, and attract large inputs of capital and technological investment from those nations. China can also use the developed nations as a model. This is also the reason that other nations have been able to industrialize so quickly in the last few decades (Taiwan, Korea, etc).
 

adeptitus

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Just a quick comment on size of economy, IMO the world ranking in 2010's will probably be EU #1, US #2, China #3, and Japan #4. (Western EU countries are lumped into Eurozone). Everyone under it will be significantly smaller in size (of economy).

Realistically, I don't expect China's economy to surpass the US until mid century. Militarily, I have a feeling that the Europeans are going to give it their best shot to reclaim technological superiority from the Americans in this century.

Prior to WWI, most scholars predicted that Europe would continue in its political structure of the time, well into the 20th century. WWI and WWII completely blew that away. So it's probably not a good idea to always assume current trends to continue until end of 21st century.
 

cmb=1968

Junior Member
I wouldn't call it luck... there are advantages and disadvantages to industrializing late. China is able to progress faster mainly because it offers markets as well as a vast pool of low-cost labor to already developed nations, and attract large inputs of capital and technological investment from those nations. China can also use the developed nations as a model. This is also the reason that other nations have been able to industrialize so quickly in the last few decades (Taiwan, Korea, etc).

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word luck. Fortunate would have been a more appropriate word to describe China's good fortune.
 

Schumacher

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Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word luck. Fortunate would have been a more appropriate word to describe China's good fortune.

Very little to do with luck or fortune really. More to do with the education, savings, large internal market & leadership etc.
There's plenty of economies that industrialize late. Few if any faced the restrictions from the west in terms of tech like China since the cold war era to recent years. Yet China is the one to pull ahead.
 
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