Hong-Kong Protests

iewgnem

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What are you talking about judges for? He was released already, which is why he's being sentenced to more jail now.

Actions which continued after the NSL was passed in June 2020. It is not an ex post facto law. The reason 45 criminals, including Joshua Wong, are being sentenced today is because they continued their activities afterwards. Their unofficial primary was conducted in July 2020. If they had quit immediately, they would not be prosecuted. The point was not to be petty and vindictive, like so many netizens want. The point was to restore law and order.
The guy only did two things in 2020: disband his entire organization after hearing about NSL, and begging Americans to help him escape. All jail time served since 2020 has been for smaller non-NSL charges that predate 2020, like the typical delusional coward he didn't dare do a single thing out of line after learning there will be real consequences.

History is full of brave people who hold onto their convictions their last breath, but to do so require believing in fighting for something greater than one's selfish interest, and the only thing HK protesters and their American masters believes in is fighting for their own selfish interests. Their core beliefs definitionally prohibit bravery.

And no, if China want to be petty he'll have committed suicide Epstein style by now, he should count himself lucky he lives in a civilized country.
 

Wrought

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The guy only did two things in 2020: disband his entire organization after hearing about NSL, and begging Americans to help him escape. All jail time served since 2020 has been for smaller non-NSL charges that predate 2020, like the typical delusional coward he didn't dare do a single thing out of line after learning there will be real consequences.

History is full of brave people who hold onto their convictions their last breath, but to do so require believing in fighting for something greater than one's selfish interest, and the only thing HK protesters and their American masters believes in is fighting for their own selfish interests. Their core beliefs definitionally prohibit bravery.

And no, if China want to be petty he'll have committed suicide Epstein style by now, he should count himself lucky he lives in a civilized country.

No, I'm afraid you simply have your facts wrong. All 47 defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit subversion. The High Court explained very clearly that Joshua Wong was an active participant in the unofficial primary, and it is for that reason that he is being sentenced. Everything is spelled out in the official case
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D19 Wong Chi-fung

154. D19 is now aged 28. He has a number of criminal records between 2016 and 2023.

155. Mr. Marco Li, together with Ms. Toni Chan, counsel for D19 submitted that D19’s role in the Scheme could be distinguished from other defendants who played a more leading role. Counsel submitted that D19 should be placed in the category of “active participant” for the purpose of sentencing. We accepted that to be the case.

156. We received mitigation letters from the mother of D19, clergy and a former teacher of D19. They all asked for a lenient sentence be passed on D19.

157. We took into consideration the role played by D19 as revealed in the Summary of Facts. In our judgment, the Summary of Facts revealed that D19 was an active participant in the Scheme. He agreed that if he were successfully elected into the LegCo, he would veto the Budgets indiscriminately with others in pursuant to the Scheme.

158. Based on the role of D19 in the Scheme, 7 years (84 months) would be adopted as the starting point. Given the guilty plea of D19, a full one-third discount would be given. It was not raised in his mitigation that D19 committed the offence under a mistake of the law, hence we gave no reduction under this head.

159. Given the criminal records of D19, we did not consider him to be a person of good character.

160. We considered the chronology of D19’s convictions in WKCC 2289/2020, ESCC 2097/2020, DCCC 876,885,890 & 892/2020 and HCMP 585/2020. In our judgment, these matters had no direct relationship to the present case. It should be noted that D19 committed the present offence while he was on court bail. We did not think we should give further reduction because D19 could not have all the offences sentenced in the same proceedings. The sentence we passed on D19 also would not have a crushing effect on him.

161. In conclusion, for the offence D19 stands convicted, he is sentenced to 4 years and 8 months’ (56 months) imprisonment.
 
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iewgnem

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No, I'm afraid you simply have your facts wrong. All 47 defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit subversion. The High Court explained very clearly that Joshua Wong was an active participant in the unofficial primary, and it is for that reason that he is being sentenced. Everything is spelled out in the official case
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That's the delusional part, they didn't think holding primaries violated NSL, explicitly said so.
Nor does it even has anything to do with Joshua Wong, he didn't organize the primaries, infact he didn't even plan on being in HK when it happened, he was only there because US consulate didn't let him in back in June.

Lastly give me a single person who didn't plea guilty for lighter sentence and I'll give you an iota of bravery, so who did?
 

Wrought

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That's the delusional part, they didn't think holding primaries violated NSL, explicitly said so.
Nor does it even has anything to do with Joshua Wong, he didn't organize the primaries, infact he didn't even plan on being in HK when it happened, he was only there because US consulate didn't let him in back in June.

Lastly give me a single person who didn't plea guilty for lighter sentence and I'll give you an iota of bravery, so who did?

As noted by the court, he did not play a leading role (hence why he got 4 years instead of 8 or 10) but did actively participate in the scheme. He was still participating in July, after the US rejected him.

And again, as noted by the court, 16 people out of the 47 pleaded not guilty. 2 were acquitted, and 14 were convicted. That's 14 iotas of bravery, by your own admission.
 
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