Hong-Kong Protests

Wrought said:

Read the document. Every name has its own section with a breakdown of the activities and the sentence for it.

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Just randomly picked one:

"We received mitigation letters from D24, his wife, parents and siblings, Mr. Frederick Fung, former Chairman of ADPL and many others. They all asked for a lenient sentence be passed. In D24’s own mitigation letter, he promised he would be law-abiding and would not reoffend in future. He vowed to serve Hong Kong and the disadvantaged groups in future."

Should I pick another one?

iewgnem said:

Just randomly picked one:

"We received mitigation letters from D24, his wife, parents and siblings, Mr. Frederick Fung, former Chairman of ADPL and many others. They all asked for a lenient sentence be passed. In D24’s own mitigation letter, he promised he would be law-abiding and would not reoffend in future. He vowed to serve Hong Kong and the disadvantaged groups in future."

Should I pick another one?

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That's not what he did, that's what the judges took into account when sentencing him. What he did is further down.

203. In our judgment, the role of D24 in the Scheme was that of an active participant. He agreed that he would veto the Budgets indiscriminately with others in pursuant to the Scheme if he were successfully elected into the LegCo.

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And you should pick them all to educate yourself, instead of ranting about a case you haven't read. This is a legal process, not a lynch mob.

Wrought said:

That's not what he did, that's what the judges took into account when sentencing him. What he did is further down.



And you should pick them all to educate yourself, instead of ranting about a case you haven't read. This is a legal process, not a lynch mob.

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Yeah the judge took into account him pleading guilty and for leniency, as roach cowards do.
As it was you who originally asserted there exist bravery in this group, it's you who should point out which one in the list demonstrated such. I have no time for roach research.

iewgnem said:

Yeah the judge took into account him pleading guilty and for leniency, as roach cowards do.
As it was you who originally asserted there exist bravery in this group, it's you who should point out which one in the list demonstrated such. I have no time for roach research.

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You asked for a single person who didn't plead guilty and I gave you 14. Now you are just moving the goalposts by saying, "well he didn't plead guilty, but he wrote a letter."

No, you just have time to complain about things in your head instead of things in reality.

Wrought said:

You asked for a single person who didn't plead guilty and I gave you 14. Now you are just moving the goalposts by saying, "well he didn't plead guilty, but he wrote a letter."

No, you just have time to complain about things in your head instead of things in reality.

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"In D24’s own mitigation letter, he promised he would be law-abiding and would not reoffend in future"
You want to give me an updated list of those who didn't plead guilty?

iewgnem said:

"In D24’s own mitigation letter, he promised he would be law-abiding and would not reoffend in future"
You want to give me an updated list of those who didn't plead guilty?

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.....wait do you not understand what a guilty plea is, legally speaking? Or not guilty, for that matter.

(A mitigation letter for sentencing purposes does not change your plea).

Wrought said:

.....wait do you not understand what a guilty plea is, legally speaking?

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So you've completely given up on trying to prove there exist any brave person in this group?
Because saying "I promise to never do it again please go easy on me" isn't exactly brave, is it, legally speaking.

iewgnem said:

So you've completely given up on trying to prove there exist any brave person in this group?
Because saying "I promise to never do it again please go easy on me" isn't exactly brave, is it, legally speaking.

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Why do you keep changing the subject every time you are proven wrong?

I have said it many times, but this is a legal process. That means there are precise definitions for everything, not just your emotions telling you to rage about roaches. That's why there are judges in a court, not a mob on the street.

Wrought said:

Why do you keep changing the subject every time you are proven wrong?

I have said it many times, but this is a legal process. That means there are precise definitions for everything, not just your emotions telling you to rage about roaches. That's why there are judges in a court, not a mob on the street.

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The subject was your assertion that Joshua Wong was brave, which you have since given up due to evidence to the contrary.
Then you tried to assert there exist those in the group who plead not guilty and pointed to a list, random sample showed those whom you asserted plead not guilty legally did infact plead guilty verbally and did infact beg for leniency.

Lastly let me remind you NSL was not passed with any HK involvement, what is or isn't legal is not up to HK nor any HK judge.
Joshua Wong had not spent a single day over the last 4 years in jail over NSL charges, and the sentences this group received today will not be their last.

iewgnem said:

The subject was your assertion that Joshua Wong was brave, which you have since given up due to evidence to the contrary.
Then you tried to assert there exist those in the group who plead not guilty and pointed to a list, random sample showed those whom you asserted plead not guilty legally did infact plead guilty verbally and did infact beg for leniency.

Lastly let me remind you NSL was not passed with any HK involvement, what is or isn't legal is not up to HK nor any HK judge.
Joshua Wong had not spent a single day over the last 4 years in jail over NSL charges, and the sentences this group received today will not be their last.

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Yes, the subject was Joshua Wong and you insisted you could read his mind and know his thoughts in contradiction with the judgement of the court. Then you asked for a single person who pleaded not guilty, and I gave you 14. Then you just started making up definitions about the definition of a legal plea. And no, the text of NSL 44(1) explicitly makes clear that it is up to HK judges to determine what is legal under said law.

Article 44 The Chief Executive shall designate a number of judges from the magistrates, the judges of the District Court, the judges of the Court of First Instance and the Court of Appeal of the High Court, and the judges of the Court of Final Appeal, and may also designate a number of judges from deputy judges or recorders, to handle cases concerning offence endangering national security. Before making such designation, the Chief Executive may consult the Committee for Safeguarding National Security of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and the Chief Justice of the Court of Final Appeal. The term of office of the aforementioned designated judges shall be one year.

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In other words, you were wrong at the start, switched to being wrong about something else, and are wrong again now. You have not cited a single piece of evidence the entire time, and have instead relied on me to spoonfeed you the reality of what's happening in Hong Kong. And when it contradicts the nice pretty picture in your head, you blame me.