Hong-Kong Protests

ChongqingHotPot92

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You just described an entire category of people that should jump off a tower ASAP.
Well, as much as I don't agree with them, these Zhi Rens probably still number in the tens of millions, mostly among folks who work in the financial industry, education, some property sectors, and the children of officials who get sidelined by Xi. They are also among the commentators of NetEast News (163), Douban, etc. Ultimately, they are a political force that exist in China, and their presence is particularly strong in Shanghai, Beijing (of course, outside the courtyards of CPC compounds), and Hong Kong. What is incredibly sad is that these just happen to be the people the Chinese government long hope to be the consumers would could supercharge the Chinese economy. However, when these people earned certain privileges and education in the West, they started to see their privileged status and the CCP's leadership (monopoly of power) as a zero sum game both materially and culturally, so they resorted to identity politics by using their supposed relative "whiteness" to demonstrate why their voice should be above the rest of China, as if they are they only ones who understands modernization. Now I am talking about the Zhi Rens born after 1980 who never lived through hardships, so there is a huge dose of neoliberal idealism in their thinkings. Many of them are indeed very productive and privileged members of society, so no wonder they louder voices on Douyin and Weibo their Joe average Chinese migrant workers or peasants.

However, another group of more hardened Zhi Rens were folks who were victims of Cultural Revolution, Tiananmen, etc., or simply families of officials who lost in bureaucratic power struggles. To them, kissing the West's ass is the only way to survive.

As with Hong Kong, the 1984 deal was arguably not favorable to China as Beijing had little influence over HK's education, national security, and media regulations. Thus, kids were brought up with a strong nostalgia for the British Empire and hatred toward the CCP plus "uncivilized" mainlanders. The 2003 protests over Article 23 demonstrated how incapable Beijing was in directly interfering in Hong Kong's affairs. When the 2019 protest hit, I was expecting a lengthy battle that would last for years (think Northern Ireland), while Beijing would simply just let side on the sideline and let the mobs make fools out of themselves. In other words, the more violent the blackshirts get, the better it would be for Beijing. Ultimately, Xi's faction didn't get along with the HK real-estate elites anyway, so letting HK burn would be a perfect divide and rule strategy. What I did not expect was Xi launching a blitzkrieg (2020 National Security Law) following Covid and pretty much gave the Sino-British Joint Declaration a huge middle finger. He got balls, but I am still divided over whether this was the best approach.

As with Shanghai, it is where China builds its most advanced warships for the PLA Navy, as well as the birthplace of the CCP. However, what is unique is that within such as important financial and industrial capital, you got an urban elite who worship the West to the point where they want to overthrow the Party State. Take the November 2022 White Paper Movement for example, Shanghai is the only city where protesters shouted "CCP step down, Xi Jinping step down." For the CCP, Shanghai remain the only protest site where MANY red lines were crossed. Comparatively, protesters at other cities only called for lifting of the zero covid policy (of which I also against) and greater freedom of speech (as should be protected by the PRC Constitution). Thus, what I am saying is that while Shanghai is China's most important city, it does have its own share of national security hazard since those white worshipping middle class/elites live so close to industries vital to China's long term national security and competitiveness.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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Wow, what you explained is exactly what I have found among Chinese elites who call themselves "liberals" or "pro-democracy".


I mentioned the same in this post. What you called Zhi-Ren, I called white worship. This is so common in places like Hong Kong and Taiwan who consider themselves more "civilized" because they follow the western culture and custom so much.

Now it has become so extreme that many so called Chinese liberals now openly want China's collapse and destruction into several pieces. They want US domination of the world and of China and see China's rise as a threat to that. There is a popular forum of these kinds of people called pingcong.rocks which is full of such people. Nowadays even Reddit China_irl subreddit has become full of such China-hating white-worshipping "liberals" who want China's destruction.

This is the same thinking that produces Hong Kong Independence and Taiwan Independence thinking. They would rather create their own artificial identity if it means they can consider themselves superior than the "Chinese"
I think white worshipping is even more apparent in Shanghai and Hong Kong than in Taiwan.
 

MortyandRick

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Well, as much as I don't agree with them, these Zhi Rens probably still number in the tens of millions, mostly among folks who work in the financial industry, education, some property sectors, and the children of officials who get sidelined by Xi. They are also among the commentators of NetEast News (163), Douban, etc. Ultimately, they are a political force that exist in China, and their presence is particularly strong in Shanghai, Beijing (of course, outside the courtyards of CPC compounds), and Hong Kong. What is incredibly sad is that these just happen to be the people the Chinese government long hope to be the consumers would could supercharge the Chinese economy. However, when these people earned certain privileges and education in the West, they started to see their privileged status and the CCP's leadership (monopoly of power) as a zero sum game both materially and culturally, so they resorted to identity politics by using their supposed relative "whiteness" to demonstrate why their voice should be above the rest of China, as if they are they only ones who understands modernization. Now I am talking about the Zhi Rens born after 1980 who never lived through hardships, so there is a huge dose of neoliberal idealism in their thinkings. Many of them are indeed very productive and privileged members of society, so no wonder they louder voices on Douyin and Weibo their Joe average Chinese migrant workers or peasants.

However, another group of more hardened Zhi Rens were folks who were victims of Cultural Revolution, Tiananmen, etc., or simply families of officials who lost in bureaucratic power struggles. To them, kissing the West's ass is the only way to survive.

As with Hong Kong, the 1984 deal was arguably not favorable to China as Beijing had little influence over HK's education, national security, and media regulations. Thus, kids were brought up with a strong nostalgia for the British Empire and hatred toward the CCP plus "uncivilized" mainlanders. The 2003 protests over Article 23 demonstrated how incapable Beijing was in directly interfering in Hong Kong's affairs. When the 2019 protest hit, I was expecting a lengthy battle that would last for years (think Northern Ireland), while Beijing would simply just let side on the sideline and let the mobs make fools out of themselves. In other words, the more violent the blackshirts get, the better it would be for Beijing. Ultimately, Xi's faction didn't get along with the HK real-estate elites anyway, so letting HK burn would be a perfect divide and rule strategy. What I did not expect was Xi launching a blitzkrieg (2020 National Security Law) following Covid and pretty much gave the Sino-British Joint Declaration a huge middle finger. He got balls, but I am still divided over whether this was the best approach.

As with Shanghai, it is where China builds its most advanced warships for the PLA Navy, as well as the birthplace of the CCP. However, what is unique is that within such as important financial and industrial capital, you got an urban elite who worship the West to the point where they want to overthrow the Party State. Take the November 2022 White Paper Movement for example, Shanghai is the only city where protesters shouted "CCP step down, Xi Jinping step down." For the CCP, Shanghai remain the only protest site where MANY red lines were crossed. Comparatively, protesters at other cities only called for lifting of the zero covid policy (of which I also against) and greater freedom of speech (as should be protected by the PRC Constitution). Thus, what I am saying is that while Shanghai is China's most important city, it does have its own share of national security hazard since those white worshipping middle class/elites live so close to industries vital to China's long term national security and competitiveness.
Are you actually Chinese or born in China? A lot of what you wrote seems to be based in the western pov and phrasing. If so then I'm surprised that you are divided over the importance and correctness of the NSL industry in 2020. Letting hk burn is NOT beneficial to China. The divide and conquer strategy only works if the area being divided is not your own land. That's one of the basic tenets of the strategy.

And I would not use the Shanghai protest as evidence. It's a city of 30 million and has the most number of immigrants ( yes I can them immigrants and not expats). A handful of them chanted anti CPC slogans and most probably aren't even Chinese citizens. Yeah that's not the best comparison.
 

vincent

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Are you actually Chinese or born in China? A lot of what you wrote seems to be based in the western pov and phrasing. If so then I'm surprised that you are divided over the importance and correctness of the NSL industry in 2020. Letting hk burn is NOT beneficial to China. The divide and conquer strategy only works if the area being divided is not your own land. That's one of the basic tenets of the strategy.

And I would not use the Shanghai protest as evidence. It's a city of 30 million and has the most number of immigrants ( yes I can them immigrants and not expats). A handful of them chanted anti CPC slogans and most probably aren't even Chinese citizens. Yeah that's not the best comparison.
He’s a cosplayer
 

FairAndUnbiased

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In China, there is a term called 殖人 (Zhi Ren), which literally means folks with an affinity for being colonized by the West/white men. These people believe that the only way for China to modernize is to firstly being colonized (ideally by an Anglo Saxon nation, but France and Germany work, too) for at least a generation. Once the entire generation of colonized Chinese were brought up under the Judeo-Christian way of thinking, they would then either rebel or peacefully secure self-determination from their western masters in similar fashion like countries that went through de-colonization in the 1950s. They do not see the brutality of colonialism in Africa, but only the "gallantry" English gentlemen and businessmen in Hong Kong, Singapore, and upper-class India. These Zhi Rens also believe white supremacism and unregulated capitalism are lesser evils compared to communism and collectivism. In fact, some believe that white supremacism in a cultural sense would be the necessary evil in order to make China "civilized".

Interestingly, contemporary Zhi Ren from the PRC emerged after the 1970s, especially among folks who have either suffered during the Cultural Revolution or studied Western literatures and political science during the 1980s (or both). Typical social-political perspectives among Zhi Ren include (but not limited to) unconditional support US/NATO military interventions anywhere and everywhere, believe that China should fully open its capital and commercial goods to western MNCs, the CCP's original sins (Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Tiananmen) are so great that no amount of political/economic reforms could remake the Party a legitimate ruler, the idea that Chinese men (especially those from the countryside) are naturally inferior to western men (so all Chinese women should marry western men to breed "civilized" babies), etc.

There are indeed many Zhi Rens, especially among the middle and upper class (but not the CPC bureaucratic or SOE elites) in Beijing and Shanghai, not to mention Hong Kong.
Everyone should be openly disrespectful towards them as they are subhuman and only understand insults. I also refuse to debate on their terms. Their favorite term is 润. I love how it makes them really mad to hear ”润?应该叫滚。“
 

siegecrossbow

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Everyone should be openly disrespectful towards them as they are subhuman and only understand insults. I also refuse to debate on their terms. Their favorite term is 润. I love how it makes them really mad to hear ”润?应该叫滚。“

Tell them to give good customer service when you visit the restaurant they work at.
 

Breadbox

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In China, there is a term called 殖人 (Zhi Ren), which literally means folks with an affinity for being colonized by the West/white men. These people believe that the only way for China to modernize is to firstly being colonized (ideally by an Anglo Saxon nation, but France and Germany work, too) for at least a generation. Once the entire generation of colonized Chinese were brought up under the Judeo-Christian way of thinking, they would then either rebel or peacefully secure self-determination from their western masters in similar fashion like countries that went through de-colonization in the 1950s. They do not see the brutality of colonialism in Africa, but only the "gallantry" English gentlemen and businessmen in Hong Kong, Singapore, and upper-class India. These Zhi Rens also believe white supremacism and unregulated capitalism are lesser evils compared to communism and collectivism. In fact, some believe that white supremacism in a cultural sense would be the necessary evil in order to make China "civilized".

Interestingly, contemporary Zhi Ren from the PRC emerged after the 1970s, especially among folks who have either suffered during the Cultural Revolution or studied Western literatures and political science during the 1980s (or both). Typical social-political perspectives among Zhi Ren include (but not limited to) unconditional support US/NATO military interventions anywhere and everywhere, believe that China should fully open its capital and commercial goods to western MNCs, the CCP's original sins (Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Tiananmen) are so great that no amount of political/economic reforms could remake the Party a legitimate ruler, the idea that Chinese men (especially those from the countryside) are naturally inferior to western men (so all Chinese women should marry western men to breed "civilized" babies), etc.

There are indeed many Zhi Rens, especially among the middle and upper class (but not the CPC bureaucratic or SOE elites) in Beijing and Shanghai, not to mention Hong Kong.
You are exaggerating the number of them in the upper and middle class in the mainland.

But I say this without a hint of irony, If the Communist party ever were to go, they'll need to do one last thing of completely eradicating the pro-western liberals like the cockroaches they are, whatever the cost might be, it will be nothing compared to the damage they will do.

I did not believe it possible for a country deliberately speedup the collapse of economy, society, security, territorial integrity, a complete loss for everyone in the country in every way with exception of the pro-western kleptocrats, yet it happened regardless. They think themselves as vultures feasting on a corpse, when in reality they are leeches that'll simply starve and the Anglo have enough leeches on themselves as it is.
 

Breadbox

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Also, I'd like to clarify what I meant to be a "Pro-western liberal" in asia, Pro western liberal in asia are only superficially similar to what is referred to as "Liberal"(the US left) in the United States, they stances on actual issues in the United States.

They are consistently pro-slavery, pro-invasion and pro-colonialism and try to prove that the Slaves of the US south were treated better than the freeman of every other country and were ungrateful to be unhappy by citing the testimony of slave owner uncritically. Parroting every single conservative talking point this just to prove that their imaginary dreamland have no faults.

They usually don't live in the west or don't know English well and thus cut off from the broader media discourse in the west. Thus they are highly prone to extremely out of touch statement such as praising "US society" by saying that nobody is worried when a gun goes off as everyone trusts and knows one another, or that the everyone trusts the US police since they are so much more in touch with the people.
 
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