Hong-Kong Protests
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1C2S isn't the problem. The issue is that the central government didn't actively involve in some of the most essential decision makings within Hong Kong. As a former colony, Hong Kong was ruled by British with ironclad. British didn't allow dissent. By controlling the media and elites, British was able to rule HK without much of oppositions.
By the time, British left HK. It has infiltrated every sectors within HK. China didn't do a clean house when coming in to take over which allowed oppositions to be embedded within the government, media, elites, and academics. The result is every decision that the new HK government made is known by the oppositions. That's why the oppositions were so effective in countering any moves the HK government made. The media on the other hand would demonize the HK government no matter what. Add to the academics that brainwashed children to worship the West. It doesn't take a genius to guess what is coming. Only carrot without stick, it won't work.
By the time, British left HK. It has infiltrated every sectors within HK. China didn't do a clean house when coming in to take over which allowed oppositions to be embedded within the government, media, elites, and academics. The result is every decision that the new HK government made is known by the oppositions. That's why the oppositions were so effective in countering any moves the HK government made. The media on the other hand would demonize the HK government no matter what. Add to the academics that brainwashed children to worship the West. It doesn't take a genius to guess what is coming. Only carrot without stick, it won't work.
You don't have to tell me about residential schools, but my point was more that this person is generally very deluded to think that violence was not a tool used very liberally by colonial Britain. Just absolutely absurd idea especially with the discovery of those aforementioned mass graves.
As for the post-97, I'm more making the point that anti-China forces were/are not really the dominant force. If they were, then they wouldn't have been so easily suppressed with absolutely no loss of life. The central government is playing a long game. In the last 15 years the mainland economy has grown to the point where you cannot untie this capital so the central government is in the position to dictate further terms. But I agree, they should have (and could have) done this sooner.
People make 1C2S as too big of an issue. As mentioned by @KYli 1C2S is not the issue. There will always be 1C2S-alike situation in any country. Even within mainland China, Beijing and Shanghai have Provincial status unto themselves. In the US, every state complains about California using their economic leverage to push other states around (such as pollution).
Even in the weaker days of those times, there was no way US/UK could have done anything unless they were prepared to take on all of China (something like a modern 8 nation invasion), which obviously they did not have the manpower to undertake. This was the best way out for them, a way for them to save face in fact.
Really, the major problem was the central government did not have the experience or confidence to root out this kind of organized administrative resistance in HK. Even in Macau early on they did not do too much even though Portugal had pretty much let go even before the formal handover.
something is, for lack of a better term, fucked in the head with many Hong Kong Chinese people. The woman is a ridiculous self hater and the man is a wimp at best, fellow self hater at worst for allowing her to uproot the entire family for some political delusion.
I think people on Taiwan are watching what's happening in Hong Kong and Ukraine. Hong Kong had some riots, which made 1C2S very unattractive (nobody wants to live in a city with constant riots). But now the situation has calmed down. People will compare the options of maybe a victorious Ukraine in absolute poverty with a country that's on fire and a prosperous Hong Kong with great economic freedoms and the option to leave if you don't like it. Meanwhile, Russia will survive the sanctions with minimal economic impact, destroying their belief that China can't afford the sanctions resulting from a military conflict on Taiwan.
A peaceful and prosperous Hong Kong is still a very powerful advert for Taiwan. Far fewer people will want to fight for independence, knowing that they'll lose everything, if there's a good alternative available
Strange? If China didn’t phase out the languages of the minorities, they wouldn’t phase out the Cantonese dialect. This woman is a complete retard, she is describing what the USA does with its minorities, not China that does everything they can to preserve their minorities, sometimes to the detriment of the Han people, but hey, natives Indians in the USA would beg for that kind of treatment. China is said to be the villain yet for all intents and purposes, behaves in a manner that is genuinely heroic, not starting wars and actually helping people and even having the heart to cancel debts when necessary while the USA calls themselves heroes, yet has an entire century of behaving worse then any villains in any media as a whole. Really I wish the time will come when this truth is made clear to the world, because the media is simply letting the USA get away with far too much
Just look how humanistic and upright the former lords of Hong Kong were to China. They wanted to nuclear blackmail China in trying to held on Hong Kong in the 1950's. Mao was a visionary that saw to it that China must developed nuclear bomb to avoid being boxed into untenable and humiliating situation as it would have against the democratic loving Brits.