Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

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Yes evolutions happen, but depending on the conditions, they arrive at their own various predicted models of scenarios. In these words, this also means if there's a huge flux of immigrants with cultures different to the indigenous group entering a society at one time, cultural shock, tensions, and conflict are inevitable until eventually they work themselves out. This period of tension, conflict in itself is also a phase of so-called evolution.

So therefore if the results doesn't turn out the way you or the OC movement wanted will you be standing in the way of evolution?

I suspect you do not understand what I have posted by the nature of your question and statements. I suspect we are talking on different frequencies.

So...what..is..it....that HONG KONG needed...." to be preserved in its way of life or else it would be just an empty city" were you talking about than?
 
AS, how do the pro-OC people feel about disrupting businesses, especially mom & pop shops, and preventing wage earners from plying their trade? Do they understand many of the people they're harming are their own parents or relatives? Do they have realistic exit strategies? They do realize at some point the protests would either fizzle out, or the authorities would disperse them, with much support from the local people, right? Do they even think about that?

I'm glad you asked this. I know you guys all know I haven't said much about this, and even I know too. In fact, a friend is accusing me of being bias for not mentioning it(which I admit I do, because first of all I know there's no way I ain't taking a side in this situation), but I told her the reason is because the thinking for anti-OC is very straightfoward.

Anyways, to answer your question. First of all, there's no way no pro-OC people don't know this disrupt business. We all know. Whoever doesn't should not even be marching, that's what I think. It's like, the most primary common sense and argument, which is also why I never even bothered visiting this argument because it's very self-explanatory. The pro-OC people feel really bad about it, but I'm sure they all understand it's inevitable because the purpose of OC is civil disobedience and to disrupt the economy in order to get the government's attention. This is also the reason the first few days the protestors are very peaceful, orderly, restraining for most part, and cleaning up after themselves. Some business owners liked them. However, I feel the strangest movement is going to MK, which is quite unnecessary.

I really doubt the students don't know what they're doing, otherwise they should be gone as soon as the pepper sprays showed up and tear gas. Maybe you can say it's conformity, but they aren't forced, and there are students who leave and return on their own as well as non-students, so I do public grievances towards HKSAR and dissatisfaction with the electoral system was the primary fuel for all this. And even then, the anti-OC people aren't actually endorsing CY neither. They still call him 689 no joke.

I'm not exactly sure if they're harming their parents, but all this started last week when parents, pro or against OC, permitted their students to walk out(because the parental teaching here is, if the kids have a strong feeling about sth and feel it's their right and important to step out and make a stand, then they should be granted this chance. so they're teaching citizenship somewhat). the escalation came when the pepper spray happened, which led people of both OC and against OC to show up because they are angry with police's use of unnecessary force against students who put up their hands) Since then you have people of all ages, and I don't think I need to cover base again.

I think the original strategy from the student leaders was probably to negotiate and end things. These are my speculations though, but I do have grounds in believing that. The very fact dialogue began was a very good step, and it was heading in the right direction and probably would've worked things out, if the violence initiated by the thugs(I'm referring to the thugs and not the anti-OC) didn't break out, which of course led to the destruction of the negotiation.

I'm just hearing my dad mentioning outside now, that the student leaders might be opening dialogue again, and clarified this isn't a revolution. Honestly whoever thinks this is a real revolution is dumb. Unless HK is its own sovereignty state(which it isn't), this ain't no revolution. So yea, whoever used this word is making it sound fancy somewhat, but also misleading. I won't be surprised there are misled people out there, which is why I try my best to explain things to those people. Essentially I have talked about this for so many times and so much, I'm getting sick and tired of it. I really just want the students to go home and be safe.
 
Than why disrupt the livelihood of those business owners and the many people that depends on it by causing such raucous to begin with?

You know, I explained this a billion times right? Also the purpose isn't to make other's life miserable. They are trying to get the government's attention, and this government has been ignoring the public for the longest time(which is why anger cooked up over the years) I posted a video that listed a bunch of things the people are upset with, and they are over the spans of years.

Also Occupy is called civil disobedience. I'm not here to judge the rights and wrong of such action, but that's what civil disobedience does: defy the government and to get their attention.

You should remember they are mostly your regular kids who goes to school 2 weeks ago. There can't be any real reasons why they want to disrupt people's business intentionally and risk getting beat until their teeth are bleeding.
 

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You know, I explained this a billion times right? Also the purpose isn't to make other's life miserable. They are trying to get the government's attention, and this government has been ignoring the public for the longest time(which is why anger cooked up over the years) I posted a video that listed a bunch of things the people are upset with, and they are over the spans of years.

Than that is a selfish move....PERIOD. Just because you are angry at the government for whatever reason does NOT make it right for you to go disturb other people's way of life JUST to get the attention of the government. I don't care how angry you are about the government. There are better ways to conduct peaceful protest without interfering with the daily lives of others.
 
So therefore if the results doesn't turn out the way you or the OC movement wanted will you be standing in the way of evolution?

In the way of this?

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Just so you know, right now I'm in Vancouver, just got home from studying Cognitive Neuroscience with my friend outside. So in other words, do you think it even affects me?

I think you should take your meds.

Oh and I don't like to stand in the way of an Evolution. At nearly 300hp, it can run me over and hurt me real bad.
 

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In the way of this?

20071001_Lancer_Evolution_X-front.jpg



Just so you know, right now I'm in Vancouver, just got home from studying Cognitive Neuroscience with my friend outside. So in other words, do you think it even affects me?

I think you should take your meds.

Oh and I don't like to stand in the way of an Evolution. At nearly 300hp, it can run me over and hurt me real bad.

I was referring to your previous comments
Yes evolutions happen, but depending on the conditions, they arrive at their own various predicted models of scenarios. In these words, this also means if there's a huge flux of immigrants with cultures different to the indigenous group entering a society at one time, cultural shock, tensions, and conflict are inevitable until eventually they work themselves out. This period of tension, conflict in itself is also a phase of so-called evolution.

and I replied back: "So therefore if the results doesn't turn out the way you or the OC movement wanted will you be standing in the way of evolution?"

and you show me a picture of a car and telling me to go take my "meds"? Wow very mature for a person studying
Cognitive Neuroscience.
 
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Than that is a selfish move....PERIOD. Just because you are angry at the government for whatever reason does NOT make it right for you to go disturb other people's way of life JUST to get the attention of the government. I don't care how angry you are about the government. There are better ways to conduct peaceful protest without interfering with the daily lives of others.

You should check out how many protests there are every year in HK, and the original intention was a sit-in and inside the Civic Square. The area was condoned off when it's public space. Next up, the original OC area to house the protestors on 9/29 were also condoned off, which forced the people in the streets. So again like I've said, the original purpose wasn't even to disrupt the people. If the HKSAR gov't had let them sit in the designated areas instead of closing off the condoned public spaces for no apparent reason none of this would happen.
 
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