Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

airsuperiority said:

Those are the real a-holes, and yea they don't exist in this protest anymore. This is why I, along with my friends, and a lot of people, are so supportive of the students and this movement now. People are really doing their best, otherwise there's no way I can have so much material to show you.

You gotta understand something man. I build my opinions through piles and piles of what I see and researched. If it's not right I won't support it. And look at how much info I'm sharing with you guys and how long and persistent I kept explaining things to you guys, even though I've said much of these SOOO MANY TIMES.

Trust me, I ain't no pro-independent freaks or whatever, and I will never support such a cause. Most of the HKers don't. Those extremists had been tugged into a black box and stowed away, and people are still being vigilant for troublemakers. This is because those people don't believe what we believe.

But yea trust me man, I can literally put something on bet and all my reputation and credibility for this, because I strongly believe in that much, and that confidence and faith of my people down there that this is what they are believing in too. Otherwise they really won't do all that much. And it's also because y'all are Chinese too and y'all matter, which is why I haven't stopped explaining to you guys and hope to tell you what's happening and shred all those misunderstandings. If I had given up, I won't be here. If I don't care, I won't be here, spending HOURS on this forum lately, getting minimal sleep. We are all Chinese, and heck in HK we even say, it doesn't matter if you're visible minority or from China. As long as we share the common values of work hard and loving this city, you're a HKer. This is why this movement isn't just about locals. It's also about overseas, China, anyone who supports us, Taiwanese, anyone. And after everything, we are still Chinese you know. We are fighting for our future for a better one, and this better one has nothing to do with independence and hating on mainland Chinese. Those rude ones leave a bad name for mainland Chinese and it's not right to stereotype mainland Chinese, but by you guys showing your support, you are supporting us at the most critical moment. I literally screen-captured a post of some mainland Chinese climbing the firewall to show support and how others endorsed him, but I deleted it when I thought you guys won't be able to read it any way.

And honestly you guys should think about this. How many members from HK do you have here. Not many. If I'm gone, will there be anyone to report what's going on. You guys will then be stuck with people preaching the same bias who knew nothing about HK. Seriously do you want to associate with such groups of people?

The struggle is real, both in my personal life and what I'm doing here, and it's because I believe and do care about you guys, that's why I haven't give up. I will only present the facts and opinions that was supported by things I've seen, because I don't and won't want to mislead you guys. Think about my shoes and why I'm doing all these. I don't even get paid for this.

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jobjed said:

I hope that's true, and if true, I hope there are more like you.

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airsuperiority said:

So what you said up there is assumption? Does it sounds like assumption too?

And just because you are in the armed forces doesn't mean you can be unaccountable for your words. As respectable and honourable your career and duty is, if you stepped on the line, it's only right to call out on what you've said.
To be fair, I will tell you once, for benefit of doubt. HK protestors are not trying to instigate violence. If it's your belief they are that way regardless of what you've been shown then go ahead and keep your thoughts, but your words are still what you're accountable for.

Take a moment and ask what you want to see. I'm not gonna go after what you've said anymore and will let it go, but I hope you think about it.

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pla101prc said:

look, you are on a forum, people are going to disagree with you, like i said, its part of growing up. if you are going to go around accusing others of inciting violence, because you don't like what you hear, then i suggest you go somewhere else.

i know you like to think the protesters as the good guys and good guys cant possibly do bad things, well i got bad news for you kid, there are no good guys in the real world. protesters go rogue all the time, in fact it is usually those that do that end up succeeding, you can find examples of that in ukaine syria libya etc. that's the way this world works. wanna win? be the bad guy.

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Brumby said:

This is the second time that you are making the assertion that Hong Kongers were scaring off expats during the transitionary period. Air challenged this assertion of yours as to its source when you first made it. I second that request.

There was no doubt that the transitionary period was a period filled with apprehension for the local population because of uncertainty and the 1989 incident truly ignited the fire. I was based in HK in 1991-92 and clearly there was a flight of capital and people but they were predominantly locals and not expats. By simple logic, expats carry foreign passports and are mobile in terms of location. I was an expat living in HK and like most major multinationals, there are programs in place like SOS which ensure emergency evacuation are available should there be a need. Locals were just reacting to circumstances created by the actions of Beijing. Blaming the locals is a twisted logic.

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AssassinsMace said:

Well you're reading things from what you want to believe. Not surprised!.

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AssassinsMace said:

It was true that money and expatriates left over fear of the handover.

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AssassinsMace said:

I can even remember the lie reported on the news about how something like that never happened before where a democracy was turned over to communist country. The lie people around the world still believe today that Hong Kong was a democracy under the British. Air Superiority misread it pointing to how there are still expatriates in Hong Kong. I didn't say they didn't come back. They did come back because Hong Kongers were putting out doom and gloom predictions that turned out to be wrong. That was the point because Hong Kongers to the least are known to exaggerate, aka play drama queens.

That's what was reported on the news. Are your going to rewrite the news too and I'm suppose to take your version as official? Or are you going to admit the media lies? What locals left? The British denied entry for Hong Kongers who wanted to flee to Great Britain. The only locals I've read about leaving where the rich only to come back later when the doom and gloom predictions from Hong Kongers didn't come true.

Yesterday I saw on CNN reporting from the protests. There was no violence from HK authorities worse than the riots you see happen in Western countries. All they did was fire tear gas but the CNN reporter told people to put it in perspective that Hong Kongers don't experience tear gas so in context it's as serious as if someone fired guns on them. The West isn't drumming up fear? But somehow Westerners are smart because they don't believe in what their own media reports so they wouldn't be in fear of violence over the handover. Hindsight is 20/20 because the doom and gloom predictions from Hong Kongers and the media back then didn't come true. It's not like your going to admit your side was wrong. So people like you are going to rewrite history and make it that to the least expatriates didn't take the doom and gloom seriously.

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airsuperiority said:

Flag raising ceremony is about to begin. I'm very worried because Scholarism led by Joshua is going in and are permitted to attend the flag raising ceremony. They promised not to disrupt it or scream slogans. I hope it's true. It's the moment of truth now. They must do it right because they are now making the future of what will happen, and sabotage will kill HK.

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Brumby said:

The fact that the authorities is allowing Joshua to participate in a significant and public event is a good sign because it is a very good opportunity to demonstrate unity even under trying times of disagreement.

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