H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

tphuang

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The world has drastically changed since 2005. In fact it has drastically changed since 2017.

US B-1 is the most heavily used bomber in the fleet. It is extremely cost effective. People mistakenly think B-52s are more cost effective... That's a 1990s misconception utterly disproven by 20 years of experience in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Tu-22M is old. But it has a good airframe like the B-1 and most of all it is imminently build able. A 2-3 year program for modernization (new materials/sensors/munitions, rebalancing center of mass, new tooling) and it'll be done.

Sure H-20 when it comes out might be better... But how long? The world is changing very rapidly. Climate crisis, major power competition, etc.

Russia proved it. You need a tool not only for peer to peer, but for devastating weaker enemies for low losses. Russia has plenty of peer to peer level stuff like SSNs and Mig-31 but they are useless at taking out guys hiding in a tree with a MANPAD.

For what it's worth, Russian Tu-22M launching Kh-32s were still devastating.
Yet, USAF is retiring B-1 before B-52s. In fact, it just retired another 17 a few months ago
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Supersonic bomber simply don't have the same worth that they did back 30 years ago.

You don't need supersonic bomber to launch cruise missiles from far out. The current H-6 generation of aircraft can pretty much do anything PLAAF needs in a non-stealth platform. It will be around for another 20 years at least. It's going to be China's B-52. You get more range and loiter time with H-6 than you would with a supersonic bomber. When you have clear air dominance, H-6 can drop bombs as well as any supersonic bomber.
 

Atomicfrog

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Yet, USAF is retiring B-1 before B-52s. In fact, it just retired another 17 a few months ago
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Supersonic bomber simply don't have the same worth that they did back 30 years ago.

You don't need supersonic bomber to launch cruise missiles from far out. The current H-6 generation of aircraft can pretty much do anything PLAAF needs in a non-stealth platform. It will be around for another 20 years at least. It's going to be China's B-52. You get more range and loiter time with H-6 than you would with a supersonic bomber. When you have clear air dominance, H-6 can drop bombs as well as any supersonic bomber.
And the B-1 got olds pretty fast. Structurally they are in worst shape than the B-52 fleet and they got way less spare parts in graveyard than b-52. Slow cruising high altitude bombers don't age fast.
 

james smith esq

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Not to go, too far, off-topic, but, however long the Ukraine Conflict lasts, I think it would be great to hear, or see, some news of the H-20s developmental progress right around the time the Ukraine Conflict resolves.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Yet, USAF is retiring B-1 before B-52s. In fact, it just retired another 17 a few months ago
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Supersonic bomber simply don't have the same worth that they did back 30 years ago.

You don't need supersonic bomber to launch cruise missiles from far out. The current H-6 generation of aircraft can pretty much do anything PLAAF needs in a non-stealth platform. It will be around for another 20 years at least. It's going to be China's B-52. You get more range and loiter time with H-6 than you would with a supersonic bomber. When you have clear air dominance, H-6 can drop bombs as well as any supersonic bomber.
They keep B-52 because of their super long range (14200 km) while B-1s have far less range (9400 km) and even less combat radius (~5000 km).

Note that they are still planning to use the B-1 as a mid range tactical antiship striker with LRASM integration.

H-6K isn't that great as a tactical striker. It could get shot down long before entering range. Like the B-1, Tu-22M was designed to be a mid range tactical striker with Kh-15s.
 

clockwork

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My suggestion to the editor of the 2022/2023 edition, add numbers discretely (let's say 500 or 800 a year) until intel exposes the true number. Otherwise prepare for another nuclear missile count fiasco.
Incidentally I suspect this is what they're doing with the nuke count as well: raise it by 200 or so every yr for the next few yrs till it gets from 700 to 1500.
 
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