Gunman murders 32 at VA Tech

Roger604

Senior Member
Probably be some time before we have all the details of what happened and where he came from and what his background is.

I'm sure many of us check sinodefence after hearing the news because there will be speculation that this was a terrorism incident.

Now it looks like the incident is linked to our online discussion in a totally unexpected way (i.e., shooter is a PRC national).

Two 9mm??? Isn't that like a John Woo movie? Was the shooter trying to mimick a movie?

And did he have any training? Was he in the army back at home?
 

szbd

Junior Member
The shooter is a PRC national turns out to be a rumor. Now there's no identification yet.
 

fishhead

Banned Idiot
The shooter is a PRC national turns out to be a rumor. Now there's no identification yet.

Yes, he is confirmed as a South Korean student.

BTW, the "PRC national" is not the "rumor", the people with the political motivation want to strike some points.
 

Schumacher

Senior Member
So, the shooter is a Korean. Not that it matters much or changes anything of the terrible nature of this sad incident, but don't the reporters have any ethics at all to report as they did, based purely on rumours, that the shooter was a Chinese.
Was Rivera the first to report it ? Surprise, surprise. Isn't he the idiot who did the 'story' on selling of organs from Chinese criminals sentenced to death some time ago ?
 

fishhead

Banned Idiot
So, the shooter is a Korean. Not that it matters much or changes anything of the terrible nature of this sad incident, but don't the reporters have any ethics at all to report as they did, based purely on rumours, that the shooter was a Chinese.
Was Rivera the first to report it ? Surprise, surprise. Isn't he the idiot who did the 'story' on selling of organs from Chinese criminals sentenced to death some time ago ?

The so called "Chinese National" claim first came from a report on a Chicago newspaper, written by a Taiwan journlist.

It doesn' change the nature of the incident, very true.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
The shooter is a PRC national turns out to be a rumor. Now there's no identification yet.

The VA Tech police report the gunman was from South Korea and was a senior at VA Tech.

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Va. Tech: Gunman student from S. Korea By ADAM GELLER, AP National Writer

BLACKSBURG, Va. - A Virginia Tech senior, Cho Seung-Hui, from South Korea killed at least 30 people locked inside a classroom building in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history, the university and police said Tuesday.

Ballistics tests also found that one of the guns used in that attack was also used in a shooting two hours earlier at a Virginia Tech dorm that left two people dead, Virginia State Police said.

Police identified the classroom shooter as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a senior from South Korea who was in the English department and lived in another dorm on campus. They said Cho committed suicide after the attacks, and there was no indication Tuesday of a possible motive.

"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said.

Two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were found on the guns used in both shootings. The serial numbers on the two weapons had been filed off, the officials said.

One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol.

Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of the Virginia State Police, said it was reasonable to assume that Cho was the shooter in both attacks but that link was yet definitive.

"There's no evidence of any accomplice at either event, but we're exploring the possibility," he said.

Cho was a permanent legal resident of the United States, according to a Homeland Security Department official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced.

A memorial service was planned for the victims Tuesday afternoon at the university, and President Bush planned to attend, the White House said. Gov. Tim Kaine was flying back to Virginia from Tokyo for the 2 p.m. convocation.

The first deadly attack, at a dormitory around 7:15 a.m., left two people dead. But some students said they didn't get their first warning about a danger on campus until two hours later, in an e-mail at 9:26 a.m. By then the second attack had begun.

Two students told NBC's "Today" show they were unaware of the dorm shooting when they walked into Norris Hall for a German class where the gunman later opened fire.

The victims in Norris Hall were found in four different classrooms and a stairwell, Flaherty said. Cho was found dead in one of those classrooms, he said.

Derek O'Dell, his arm in a cast after being shot, described a shooter who fired away in "eerily silence" with "no specific target — just taking out anybody he could."

After the gunman left the room, students could hear him shooting other people down the hall. O'Dell said he and other students barricaded the door so the shooter couldn't get back in — though he later tried.

"After he couldn't get the door open he tried shooting it open ... but the gunshots were blunted by the door," O'Dell said.

A federal law enforcement official said Tuesday he had been told by other federal law enforcement officials that the two guns recovered in the shooting had had their serial numbers scraped off. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced.

The slayings left people of this once-peaceful mountain town and the university at its heart praying for the victims and struggling to find order in a tragedy of such unspeakable horror it defies reason.

"For Ryan and Emily and for those whose names we do not know," one woman pleaded in a church service Monday night.

Another mourner added: "For parents near and far who wonder at a time like this, 'Is my child safe?'"

That question promises to haunt Blacksburg long after Monday's attacks. Investigators offered no motive, and the gunman's name was not immediately released.

The shooting began about 7:15 a.m. on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston, a high-rise coed dormitory where two people died.

Police were still investigating around 9:15 a.m., when a gunman wielding two handguns and carrying multiple clips of ammunition stormed Norris Hall, a classroom building a half-mile away on the other side of the 2,600-acre campus.

At least 20 people were taken to hospitals after the second attack, some seriously injured. Many found themselves trapped after someone, apparently the shooter, chained and locked Norris Hall doors from the inside.

Students jumped from windows, and students and faculty carried away some of the wounded without waiting for ambulances to arrive.

SWAT team members with helmets, flak jackets and assault rifles swarmed over the campus. A student used his cell-phone camera to record the sound of bullets echoing through a stone building.

Inside Norris, the attack began with a thunderous sound from Room 206 — "what sounded like an enormous hammer," said Alec Calhoun, a 20-year-old junior who was in a solid mechanics lecture in a classroom next door.

Screams followed an instant later, and the banging continued. When students realized the sounds were gunshots, Calhoun said, he started flipping over desks to make hiding places. Others dashed to the windows of the second-floor classroom, kicking out the screens and jumping from the ledge of Room 204, he said.

"I must've been the eighth or ninth person who jumped, and I think I was the last," said Calhoun, of Waynesboro, Va. He landed in a bush and ran.

Calhoun said that the two students behind him were shot, but that he believed they survived. Just before he climbed out the window, Calhoun said, he turned to look at his professor, who had stayed behind, apparently to prevent the gunman from opening the door.

The instructor was killed, Calhoun said.

Erin Sheehan, who was in the German class near Calhoun's room, told the student newspaper, the Collegiate Times, that she was one of only four of about two dozen people in the class to walk out of the room. The rest were dead or wounded, she said.

She said the gunman "was just a normal-looking kid, Asian, but he had on a Boy Scout-type outfit. He wore a tan button-up vest, and this black vest, maybe it was for ammo or something."

The gunman first shot the professor in the head and then fired on the class, another student, Trey Perkins, told The Washington Post. The gunman was about 19 years old and had a "very serious but very calm look on his face," he said.

"Everyone hit the floor at that moment," said Perkins, 20, of Yorktown, Va., a sophomore studying mechanical engineering. "And the shots seemed like it lasted forever."

At an evening news conference, Police Chief Wendell Flinchum refused to dismiss the possibility that a co-conspirator or second shooter was involved. He said police had interviewed a male who was a "person of interest" in the dorm shooting and who knew one of the victims, but he declined to give details.

"I'm not saying there's a gunman on the loose," Flinchum said. Ballistics tests will help explain what happened, he said.

Some students bitterly complained that the first e-mail warning arrived more than two hours after the first shots.

"I think the university has blood on their hands because of their lack of action after the first incident," said Billy Bason, 18, who lives on the seventh floor of the dorm.

University President Charles Steger emphasized that the university closed off the dorm after the first attack and decided to rely on e-mail and other electronic means to spread the word, but said that with 11,000 people driving onto campus first thing in the morning, it was difficult to get the word out.

He said that before the e-mail was sent, the university began telephoning resident advisers in the dorms and sent people to knock on doors. Students were warned to stay inside and away from the windows.

"We can only make decisions based on the information you had at the time. You don't have hours to reflect on it," Steger said.

The 9:26 e-mail had few details: "A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating."

Until Monday, the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard plowed his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.

Nine students remained hospitalized Tuesday at Montgomery Regional Hospital, all of them stable, CEO Scott Hill said. Two others had been transferred to other hospitals with a Level I trauma center.

Their families "are by the bedside, which is a good thing," Hill said.

Lewis-Gale Medical Center in Salem had three remaining patients, all in stable condition, with one expected to be discharged later Tuesday, Hill said.

The massacre Monday took place almost eight years to the day after the Columbine High bloodbath near Littleton, Colo. On April 20, 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives.

Previously, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history was a rampage that took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin, where Charles Whitman climbed the clock tower and opened fire with a rifle from the 28th-floor observation deck. He killed 16 people before he was shot to death by police.

Founded in 1872, Virginia Tech is nestled in southwestern Virginia, about 160 miles west of Richmond. With more than 25,000 full-time students, it has the state's largest full-time student population. The school is best known for its engineering school and its powerhouse Hokies football team.

Police said there had been bomb threats on campus over the past two weeks but that they had not determined whether they were linked to the shootings.

It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of gunfire.

Last August, the opening day of classes was canceled when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy was killed just off campus. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.

Among the dead were professors Liviu Librescu and Kevin Granata, said Ishwar K. Puri, the head of the engineering science and mechanics department.

Librescu, an Israeli, was born in Romania and was known internationally for his research in aeronautical engineering, Puri wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Granata and his students researched muscle and reflex response and robotics. Puri called him one of the top five biomechanics researchers in the country working on movement dynamics in cerebral palsy.

Also killed was Ryan Clark, a student from Martinez, Ga., who had several majors and carried a 4.0 grade-point average, said Vernon Collins, coroner in Columbia County, Ga.

His friend Gregory Walton, a 25-year-old who graduated last year, said he feared the nightmare had just begun.

"I knew when the number was so large that I would know at least one person on that list," said Walton, a banquet manager. "I don't want to look at that list. I don't want to.

"It's just, it's going to be horrible, and it's going to get worse before it gets better."

Associated Press Writers Justin Pope in Blacksburg and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington contributed to this report.
 

The_Zergling

Junior Member
Unsurprisingly, there were not a few people speculating on whether or not the shooter was a Muslim before he was really identified. It really is a sad state of affairs right now...

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Comments here are very disturbing, but I don't think they are unique.

The other reaction besides that of racial profiling is from NRA activists as well as those on the other side of the spectrum. The theory is that someone would have shot the guy before he killed all those students. It's not impossible. Of course, one would have to wonder what percentage of the college students would try to get a permit, how many of them would bring their guns to class on that given day, how many weren't psychopaths, and how many had the gun training necessary to enable them to overcome natural panic and get off clean shots without themselves killing innocents.

Like I said, you'd have to have an authoritarian government that's ANTI-gun rather than pro-gun to fix this problem. This is sad.

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And how we've got people surmising... CHINA AL-QAEDA OMFG. I dunno what to say now. Thoughts going through my head are pretty politically incorrect.
 

fishhead

Banned Idiot
I may say there is some racial factor in the incident, though probably it's too early saying that now.

His GF is a white girl, and left him, which casued the shooting. It seems that no East Asian student was hurt during the incident, one Indian professor and student were killed.

We will wait to see it's coincident or intention.
 

Scratch

Captain
Well, as a Chinese myself, I don't think I hold the biase against Chinese or East Asian.

But from the deadly way of shooting and cold-mind method, I already guessed it right. That guy wore a bullet-prove vest, and at the end he killed himself. He didn't run away after the first shooting, but stayed on the campus to wait for the second opportunity.

Kind of the guy determined to die, and drag as many as possible to go with him.
Sorry, I really don't mean to nitpick on you. But reading your posts I'm still of the impression that you think to be cold-blooded, determind to die, and "effectively" killing as many people as possible is a typical asian art. Whereas a "westerner" would shoot around without thinking, getting into panic, running around crying until arrested.
IMO, that is complete nonsense, the ethnic background has nothing whatsoever to do with such incidents.

What I would be interested in is how would it had been if students were armed.
When that criminal starts the killing, another one would have shot him. A third thinks that second one is a shooter and kills him. Whereas a fourth knows the second one only defended himself and therefore thinks the third is a accessory of the first and shoots him.
Unless you stay calm in a life or death situation (wich is a serious task) carrying a gun can be bring more harm than benefit, IMO.

On a side note: Just read after the Colombine High incident, when there were calls to change gun laws, then Pres Clinton said do you change culture and then I will change gun laws ...
 

fishhead

Banned Idiot
Sorry, I really don't mean to nitpick on you. But reading your posts I'm still of the impression that you think to be cold-blooded, determind to die, and "effectively" killing as many people as possible is a typical asian art. Whereas a "westerner" would shoot around without thinking, getting into panic, running around crying until arrested.
IMO, that is complete nonsense, the ethnic background has nothing whatsoever to do with such incidents.

Well, it's the fact. The efficiency of the killing immediately reminded me of Lu Gang's case. It is the same efficiency and planning and cold blood execution. The difference is that Lu didn't kill anyone he thought innocent.

On a side note: Just read after the Colombine High incident, when there were calls to change gun laws, then Pres Clinton said do you change culture and then I will change gun laws ...

Thank you for pointing it out: The culture background does play the key role here.
 
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