Gunman murders 32 at VA Tech

Where did I say that?

I simply point out the killer with an East Asian background will act differently from western mass shooters.

It's confirmed:

The shooter is Asian. Probably Chinese.

Hey Roger, how do you know he is Chinese? There are many different races from Asia. He could be korean Japanese, vietnamese, etc. It is only confirmed the guy is Asian.

To BdPopeye: You stated earlier that the constitution will have to be changed for gun control. Not true. Constitution only refers to the right to bare arms in a militia when 16 not the right to have a gun. Often the wo are mixed up.

renmin said:

To BdPopeye: You stated earlier that the constitution will have to be changed for gun control. Not true. Constitution only refers to the right to bare arms in a militia when 16 not the right to have a gun. Often the wo are mixed up.

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I was answering Golly's post. Trying to read his mind. Many Europenas do not undersatnd why there are so many murders and incidents like this in the US. Perhaps I was making it to simple.

Read this post by Zerling. It explains well guns in the USA.

This is indeed a tragedy... albeit, one that is not entirely surprising.

I think one of the most disturbing parts of this mass killing is the fact that the weapons used could all be acquired using legal means. It's arguable that any gun law that could have been passed in the United States (given the "you'll get my guns when you pry them out of my cold dead fingers mindset") wouldn't have made any difference.

It's easy to buy the weapons used. He had no criminal record, and probably passed the background check easily. Experience tells us that head cases have a way of getting weapons regardless of how tough checks are.

Gun control is dead in America. There is a reason we have one of (if not the) highest murder rates in all civilized industrial countries. But there are millions of guns out there, and that will not change unless we have an authoritarian government that happens to be anti-gun.

The killings will continue. I just hope that the tragedy will all make us take a step back, think about what we find important and inalienable, and be thankful for what we do have.

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There are many many laws in the US concering "gun control". But the carnage continues. Tragic.

Roger..happy to read your post!

One day Americans should only give vote for who insist on banning all guns for congress men. Then the constitution can be changed. 32 people killed! two 9mm? He must really took his time and fired in great accuracy that not only one bullet hit a people but also hit at the right place to kill him.

I just heard on Fox news>> Geraldo Rivera of Fox news reports the gunman was a 23 year old exchange student from China.

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Gollevainen said:

How many has to die untill USA starts to conduct rational gun-policy??

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Sorry Goll, but in this nation (the US), where 80 million people own over 350 million guns, and with a tradition of gun ownership and self defense responsibility resting with the citizens of the nation, the issue is not really about gun laws.

Gun laws do not help. This guy broke dozens of gun laws today when he did what he did.

I am a very big 2nd amendment advocate (surprized?). This guy needed hot lead flying back in his direction as soon as possible after he started his rampage. People who are dodging bullets very quickly become less accurate and less efficient killers themselves. In my estimation, and based on our heritage, more people, common citizens need to be trained and armed so they can take responsibility for their own safety.

As it was, he was operating with impunity in a so-called gun free zone...where the only people armed were LEOs who could not be there where he was for many minutes...and himself.

I do not want to start an arguement or huge debate on this issue because it is not what this forum is about, but the shooter broke all siorts of gun laws today and killed innocents. Gun laws do not work in this environment IMHO...they contribute exponentially to the problem.

That's the truth of this situation and is something that, as popeye pointed out, is clearly articulated in the US constitution. Anyhow...just a couple of comments to show that the debate here in America is no where near resolved, nor, as Popeye stated, will it be in the near future.

I have taught all five of my kids to defend themselves with firearms. As adults they seek to live in parts of the country where they can have conceal carry permits because they take their own self defense seriously. It is my own considered opinion that the more of that we have the better. Such incidents would end quickly if that were the case...with a lot less innocent death IMHO.

I know many people from other cultures may not agree and I respect that...but here in the US that culture is rich, and deep, and in many places and states, will not end any time soon.

I have taught all five of my kids to defend themselves with firearms.

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Me also. I use to take my sons in the desert in San Diego county to go "plinking"..

My daughter has never been shooting.

I no longer own any firearms.

Plinking= shooting at tin cans, bottles trash etc...

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I just heard on Fox news>> Geraldo Rivera of Fox news reports the gunman was a 23 year old exchange student from China.

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Also now being reported that the serial numbers on these weapons .22s and 9 mms were ground off...obliterated.

Apparently the VISA was out of Shanghai and he came here in August.

I do not believe that that is necessarily anything of note...but the ground off serial numbers is disturbing information...along with the accuracy and highly lethal nature of his shooting, and his chaining doors shut to keep people in his killing field. It implies significant things about his capability...wherever he originally hailed from.

Other reports indicate that there was some kind of "love" triangle involving his girlfriend at the dorms and a Resident Assistant. but who knows?

Probably be some time before we have all the details of what happened and where he came from and what his background is.

Horrible, horrible tragedy.

yeah, one of my friends from work just graduated this past year from VA Tech, he was pretty crushed I think.
Really sad event.