Great Fictional World War III book (China & allies VS US & allies)

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Jeff Head said:

Well, above all else...this story is fiction...QUOTE]

I don't think China hope to conflict with the U.S.A in the near/far future unless America does for its so-called "national interest".As I know,Chinese people love peace and are friendly.Don't you think it is much more wonderful that western civilization and eastern civilization get along together?Don't you think it is much more slpendid that it is different?Can you imagine a world of only west-civilization or east-civilization survival?So,how would they be going on next?Kill the earth ,and to the Mars?Then kill the Mars and to somewhere?....Of course,politics is evil.:coffee:

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Re: Great China VS U.S war book

Jeff Head said:

Well, China is developing significant relations with Iran as we speak, with significant bi-lateral economic and military ties. They are attempting the same with India and have announced significant economic agreements, and conducted several military exercises together over the last several years.

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India has significant ties with Iran... so does Russia. That does not mean either will go to war with America over her, much less join in a plan of world conquest with same.

I do enjoy the story to an extent, but I am sorry, I do not think it is in the least realistic.

...and remember, stranger things have happened. Nobody would have predicted a military alliance between Hitler and Stalin like the one that developed in the early days of World War II and continued for two years..

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To contrary, it had been going on for a long time - Soviet-German military co-operation dated back to Weimar Republic times. And I would not call non-Aggression pack an 'alliance'.

...and, finally, Russia actually plays a huge role in the story...extremely large role. At first, the Russians play both ends against the middle and try and avoid direct conflict with either side...but they do get drawn in, in a very major way. One of the principle sub-plots involves a Russian Colonel who, through the storyline and over several years, rises in the ranks and ends up leading significant Russian forces.

Oh well...thanks for the thoughts and critique, it is also a fictional novel.

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And quite enjoyable fiction... though I freely admit that I only read the free first book. ::contrition::

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Jeff Head said:

No problem, did not take them wrong or negatively and appreciate all honset commentary...good or bad. I have no lock-on these types of things.

Copy that,,,and glad the two of you are on herebantering!

Thank you for those wishes. I am certainly no Clancy. He has written many, many great books. Most all of which I have read. I still like his Hunt for Red October and Red Storm Rising best I think, particularly Red Storm Rising from an overall, large scale World War standpoint. No one has really written such a novel since IMHO...and that is what I set out to do.

Later, particularly with The Bear and the Dragon, although the scenario itself I felt was plausible, the way he handled the US technology being an absolute panacea for every thing the Chinese threw at it, was just a little too overdone for me. That's another reason I wrote the series because I believe that adversaries, when confronted on this scale, can and will find means to overcome those advantages.

For example, as Stalin I believe is reported to have said...Qauntity has a quality all it's own, when speaking of Soviet tank production in WW II when pitted against the (at the time) more technically capable German tanks.

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A small note on Soviet tanks vis-a-vis German ones...

I won't actually say they are technically more capable. Better machined? Probably. Better performance characteristics? Some of them. Logistics? Abso-bloody-lutely no. They had problems ranging from gearbox to transmission to engines, they were nowhere near as robust as Soviet tanks... and in the long run, that was what killed them. Besides, a good case can be made that the T-34/85 and the IS-IIMs were better, period.

[I also do not think Bear and Dragon was in any way realistic... the Chinese are in a financial crisis... so what do they do? Start a war to get more gold. I mean, that was not one, but two ways to cause a complete freefall in your stock market and destroy what might be left of your financial stability. The PRC leadership is many things, utterly incompetent is not one of them.

Besides, it is clear to me that war with China will see the destruction of the resource extraction infrastructure in Siberia and Fareast, and the oil field especially will be hard to re-open within a short period of time... coupled with the international effect (China just invaded Russia... what do you think that's going to do to its international trade relations? This isn't the same as threatening Taiwan, which PRC has claimed since its inception... it is invading a former ally and sovereign nation which it has recognised with intention of annexing land it has recognised as the others, a thing PRC had never done before), the cost of the war, just isn't economical for China.]

Re: Great China VS U.S war book

Troika said:

India has significant ties with Iran... so does Russia. That does not mean either will go to war with America over her, much less join in a plan of world conquest with same.

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But China is developing significant, what for her would be considered strategic assets in terms of oil deliveries from Iran. For that, they may well warn the US off over any actions that might threaten them.

Troika said:

And I would not call non-Aggression pack an 'alliance'.

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But the non-agression pact led to their August 1939 pact that flatly stated that Poland would be partioned between the two countries, and their joint actions in Poland (Germany beginning on Sept 1, 1939 and the Soviets on Sept 17, 1939), clearly had all the makings of a military alliance.

Troika said:

And quite enjoyable fiction... though I freely admit that I only read the free first book. ::contrition::

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No problem. The new book as been completely re-written and updated for latest technical and geo-political developments. In addition, outside of the prologue, all year centric references for the story line have been removed. That's what's available for free on the download page now that my earlier post on this thread refers to.

Thanks for the dialog and for your views on the book and current world conditions.

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Troika said:

...it is invading a former ally and sovereign nation which it has recognised with intention of annexing land it has recognised as the others, a thing PRC had never done before),

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What about the Sino-Vietnamese Wars?

Jeff-I've been reading your book and I have liked it a lot so far. I'm almost done. People say that it is unrealistic, but certain "unrealistic" things have to be allowed for within the parameters of the story for the story to even happen at all. The story is about what would happen if a unified Islamic nation, India and a better-armed China took on the US with the aim of world domination. It doesn't matter if that is realistic...that's what the story is about.

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Finn McCool said:

Jeff-I've been reading your book and I have liked it a lot so far. I'm almost done.

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Thanks, I am really glad you are enjoying it.

Finn McCool said:

People say that it is unrealistic, but certain "unrealistic" things have to be allowed for within the parameters of the story for the story to even happen at all. The story is about what would happen if a unified Islamic nation, India and a better-armed China took on the US with the aim of world domination. It doesn't matter if that is realistic...that's what the story is about.

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Thanks...exactly right. It is a fictional story. What matters is if the storyline can hold interest and be exciting within the bounds it establishes. Given the Nazi-Sovet allaince at the beginning of World War II, almost anything is possible, even if considered unlikely at the time.

Re: Great China VS U.S war book

It is a nice book, however, I think you may have the wrong country:

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Vlad Plasmius said:

It is a nice book, however, I think you may have the wrong country:

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Download it and read it (the eBook is free)...you will find that Russia figures VERY heavily into this entire story...on both sides. I would go into more detail, but don't want to create any spoilers.

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NickatNight said:

I don't think that there will be a war between China and U.S. in the near future. However, China needs a military victory somewhere because in the international community a country doesn't have real respect until they have shown some military success. Thats just the way the world works.
Good , I am totaly agree. No military success against an old strongpower, no respect. so, even tho it'll be a reginal conflict, it'll also be fierce

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vv820201 said:

I am totaly agree. No military success against an old strongpower, no respect. so, even tho it'll be a reginal conflict, it'll also be fierce

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Well, the book is fiction, although all of the technology contained therein is either already operational or on the drawing board and in research. In addition, many of the geo-political conditions are similar to today's world events.

The Adobe eBook version is free, so I encourage people to download it and read it.