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antiterror13

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UK is all set to drop Huawei over coronas virus issue. This will have a domino effect in Europe. Huawei will face big issues.

Creepy China dude in this forum says Huawei is all that and doesn't need my advices but I still need tto point it out it needs to branch out to survive. It needs to branch out into other areas.

Be like Samsung , do it all. Memory , MCU, design/manufacturing. Printer, washing machine/refrigerator like whirlpool, CIS cmos image sensor like Sony, Foundry like TSMC, phone and now 5G communication like Huawei.
It practically does everything.

Also if China willing to pour money into such dangerous virus lab for research on bat then they should setup a lab for EUV which they are not doing it now. EUV project is more useful and way safer . The virus lab now they try to muzzled it over. Thats failed national policy there.

you're "right" again Mr "right" ..... :p
 

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UK is all set to drop Huawei over coronas virus issue. This will have a domino effect in Europe. Huawei will face big issues.

Creepy China dude in this forum says Huawei is all that and doesn't need my advices but I still need tto point it out it needs to branch out to survive. It needs to branch out into other areas.

Be like Samsung , do it all. Memory , MCU, design/manufacturing. Printer, washing machine/refrigerator like whirlpool, CIS cmos image sensor like Sony, Foundry like TSMC, phone and now 5G communication like Huawei.
It practically does everything.

Also if China willing to pour money into such dangerous virus lab for research on bat then they should setup a lab for EUV which they are not doing it now. EUV project is more useful and way safer . The virus lab now they try to muzzled it over. Thats failed national policy there.
Interesting to know why you are so loathing of China and so zealous in belittling Huawei here.
 

vultee

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It's not Huawei fault it's more about the the virus handling. From UK intelligence , Johnson learned that Wuhan virus lab has put on hiring of bat research scientists last yr November, and after the outbreak, all the publications on coronavirus got taken down, all the labs sample destroyed.. Even lab workers have expressed safety is not up to standard handling such dangerous virus in 2018. The origin of virus is one thing, but the Johnson reported angry about muffling of the Wuhan lab so no traces can come out. That's what he angry about.

It's possible that US army brought there, but everything got taken down from Wuhan lab is what enraged Johnson.

For me, personally, China can spend that money into better research, instead fooling around with dangerous virus. I don't care who really spread the virus at first place, China or US.
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Such facilities are necessary to identify novel viruses early while they are still in the bat population.
What is questionable is placing such facilities near population centers. It could be when the lab was originally built it was further away from the population but China's construction boom made that change. Right now, closing that facility's live animal component and disinfecting it all makes perfect sense I think. Even if it wasn't the cause, it is a reason for concern.
 

manqiangrexue

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It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings but cautiously, I view this as positive news. In any case, it sure doesn't say anything about BoJo changing his mind coming out of ICU...
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UK made a firm decision on Huawei in 5G: foreign ministry's top official

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's government made a firm decision to allow China's Huawei to have a role in building the country's 5G phone network and as far as the foreign ministry's top official understands it is not being reopened, he said on Tuesday.

Britain decided in January to allow Huawei into what the government said were non-sensitive parts of its 5G network, capping its involvement at 35%.

Asked whether he would advise the foreign minister to try to change the government's position on Huawei, Simon McDonald, permanent under secretary and head of the diplomatic service at the foreign ministry, told lawmakers: "As you know ... the government decided to proceed with an investment but with very strict conditions ... As far as I know that ... is a firm decision and is not being reopened."

"China is a very important partner of the United Kingdom and I think it's compatible to proceed with the Huawei decision and have the strategically independent relationship that I have been talking about."
 

coolieno99

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To make it simple.
U.S. blocked China from joining International Space Station consortium.
China is force to build its own space station.
U.S. blocked China from joining European Galileo GPS consortium.
China is force to build its own GPS system, Beidou.
U.S. tells Intel to not sell its highest performing CPU chips to China.
China builds supercomputer with its own CPU chips.
U.S. tells ASML to not sell EUV lithography tool to China.
You can fill in the blank here _________________________________________.
 

antiterror13

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To make it simple.
U.S. blocked China from joining International Space Station consortium.
China is force to build its own space station.
U.S. blocked China from joining European Galileo GPS consortium.
China is force to build its own GPS system, Beidou.
U.S. tells Intel to not sell its highest performing CPU chips to China.
China builds supercomputer with its own CPU chips.
U.S. tells ASML to not sell EUV lithography tool to China.
You can fill in the blank here _________________________________________.

great, it summarises all of it .. also you could add KJ-2000
 

jimmyjames30x30

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great, it summarises all of it .. also you could add KJ-2000

Well, I've always thought the same. However, now I'am starting to suspect that the US don't really care whether China masters all cutting technology at all. I think what the elites in the US really want now, is to make sure that they still retain a parallel full industrial base independent of China. In my view, the US is already in a strategically defensive posture.
What I mean is that the US elites already come to a realization that they can not stop China from going to the top. What they want is that once China is at the top, the US would still command enough foreign assets/cronies that consist of a full-spectrum industrial base. Right now, China is infused with the US-lead global supply chain. Cutting China out of the supply chain will not weaken China, nor will it prevent China from getting what China needs; rather it is a move to make sure that when China goes to the top and become independent of the US in terms of high technology, the US is not left a big hole in it own global order of supply chain and industrial bases.
 

antiterror13

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Well, I've always thought the same. However, now I'am starting to suspect that the US don't really care whether China masters all cutting technology at all. I think what the elites in the US really want now, is to make sure that they still retain a parallel full industrial base independent of China. In my view, the US is already in a strategically defensive posture.
What I mean is that the US elites already come to a realization that they can not stop China from going to the top. What they want is that once China is at the top, the US would still command enough foreign assets/cronies that consist of a full-spectrum industrial base. Right now, China is infused with the US-lead global supply chain. Cutting China out of the supply chain will not weaken China, nor will it prevent China from getting what China needs; rather it is a move to make sure that when China goes to the top and become independent of the US in terms of high technology, the US is not left a big hole in it own global order of supply chain and industrial bases.

hmmm, very interesting thought
 

coolieno99

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This is the Google Translate of the link given by "superdog" at Chinese Semiconductor Industry Thread . I think it's also relevant to this thread.

"Research on Key Technologies of Extreme Ultraviolet Lithography" Passed Acceptance

Recently, the acceptance meeting of the "Extreme Ultraviolet (EUV) Lithography Key Technology Research" project was held at the Changchun Institute of Optics, Fine Mechanics and Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences (hereinafter referred to as the Changchun Institute of Optics and Mechanics). "Manufacturing equipment and complete sets of technology" National Science and Technology Major Project (02 Project) Implementation Management Office organization. At the meeting, the panel of reviewing experts affirmed the series of results achieved by the project and agreed that the project passed the acceptance. They believed that the smooth implementation of the project has advanced an important step in the development of China's extreme ultraviolet lithography technology. Extreme ultraviolet lithography is a projection lithography technique that uses extreme ultraviolet light with a wavelength of 13.5 nm as the working wavelength, which is a reasonable extension of traditional lithography techniques to shorter wavelengths. As the next generation of lithography technology, extreme ultraviolet lithography has been given the mission of saving Moore's Law by the industry.
Jin Chunshui, a researcher at the State Key Laboratory of Applied Optics of Changchun Institute of Optics, told the reporter of China Science Journal: "Extreme ultraviolet lithography optical technology represents the highest level of current applied optics development. As a prospective EUV lithography key technology research, project indicators require High, technical difficulty, bottlenecks, high innovation, and serious foreign technical blockade. " Since the 1990s, Changchun Optoelectronics Institute has focused on EUV / X-ray imaging technology research, focusing on EUV light source, ultra-smooth polishing technology, EUV multilayer film and related EUV imaging technology research, forming an extreme ultraviolet optical Application technology foundation. In 2002, the first set of domestic EUV lithography principle device developed by Changchun Institute of Optoelectronics realized the principle of EUV lithography. In 2008, the national "Very Large Scale Integrated Circuit Manufacturing Equipment and Complete Process" major scientific and technological project listed EUV lithography technology as an important research task of "prospective research on 32-22nm equipment technology." As the lead unit, Changchun Institute of Optoelectronics undertook the research work of the "Key Technology Research of Extreme Ultraviolet Lithography". The member units also include the Institute of Optoelectronic Technology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Shanghai Institute of Optics and Fine Mechanics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, and Institute of Microelectronics, Chinese Academy of Sciences , Beijing Institute of Technology, Harbin Institute of Technology, Huazhong University of Science and Technology.
The research team of the Changchun Institute of Optics and Mechanics led by Jin Chunshui adheres to the persevering scientific research spirit, concentrates on research, and has accumulated a lot of hard work. After eight years of hard work, it has broken through the ultra-high-precision aspheric processing and inspection that restrict the development of extreme ultraviolet lithography in China Multi-layer film, projection objective system integration test and other core unit technologies, successfully developed a two-mirror EUV lithography objective system with a wave aberration better than 0.75 nm RMS, constructed an EUV lithography exposure device, and obtained EUV projection lithography for the first time in China 32 nm line width photoresist exposure pattern.
Jin Chunshui said: "We have established a relatively complete R & D platform for key technologies of exposure optical systems, successfully completed the research content and mission goals of major national special deployments, achieved EUV optical imaging technology leapfrogging, and significantly improved the core optical technology of extreme ultraviolet lithography in China Level."

At the same time, the implementation of the project has formed a stable research team, which lays a solid technical and talent base for China to achieve sustainable development in the next generation of lithography technology.

At the acceptance meeting, Jia Ping, director of the Changchun Institute of Optics, pointed out that the layout of the EUV project is in the window period in terms of timing and technical difficulty, and hopes that the country will provide continuous and stable support. He encouraged the project participating units to give full play to the advantages of the EUV discipline, to brave the courage to work side by side, and to achieve better results with follow-up support.

02 Tian Chun, the chief technical officer of the special general group and the director of the Institute of Microelectronics of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, also emphasized that under the situation that the international EUV lithography large production base has been established, China ’s EUV lithography research should continue to adhere to the future industrial engineering needs The focus should be on the core technologies that must be mastered and the possible breakthroughs in innovation.

In addition, Ye Tianchun commented that the lithography team of the Changchun Institute of Optical Machinery is the team that undertakes the most core, highest-end and most difficult tasks, and is also the most combative, most stress-resistant and most trustworthy main force in the special team. He encouraged the project team to shoulder the responsibility and sense of mission of major tasks and continue to climb the peak. 02 Cao Jianlin, chief commander of the special lithography machine engineering headquarters and former vice minister of the Ministry of Science and Technology, is one of the experts in the field familiar with EUV lithography in China. He believes that China has initially possessed the R & D capabilities of lithography technology and is moving towards the industrialization goal. The "Chinese lithography dream" 30 years ago is gradually becoming a reality. The establishment of the lithography technology R & D capability in China has initially established its adherence Confidence in the Chinese lithography dream. (Shen Chunlei) China Science News (2017-07-10 5th Edition Innovation Weekly)
 

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This is the Google Translate of the link given by "superdog" at Chinese Semiconductor Industry Thread . I think it's also relevant to this thread.

"Research on Key Technologies of Extreme Ultraviolet Lithography" Passed Acceptance

Recently, the acceptance meeting of the "Extreme Ultraviolet (EUV) Lithography Key Technology Research" project was held at the Changchun Institute of Optics, Fine Mechanics and Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences (hereinafter referred to as the Changchun Institute of Optics and Mechanics). "Manufacturing equipment and complete sets of technology" National Science and Technology Major Project (02 Project) Implementation Management Office organization. At the meeting, the panel of reviewing experts affirmed the series of results achieved by the project and agreed that the project passed the acceptance. They believed that the smooth implementation of the project has advanced an important step in the development of China's extreme ultraviolet lithography technology. Extreme ultraviolet lithography is a projection lithography technique that uses extreme ultraviolet light with a wavelength of 13.5 nm as the working wavelength, which is a reasonable extension of traditional lithography techniques to shorter wavelengths. As the next generation of lithography technology, extreme ultraviolet lithography has been given the mission of saving Moore's Law by the industry.
Jin Chunshui, a researcher at the State Key Laboratory of Applied Optics of Changchun Institute of Optics, told the reporter of China Science Journal: "Extreme ultraviolet lithography optical technology represents the highest level of current applied optics development. As a prospective EUV lithography key technology research, project indicators require High, technical difficulty, bottlenecks, high innovation, and serious foreign technical blockade. " Since the 1990s, Changchun Optoelectronics Institute has focused on EUV / X-ray imaging technology research, focusing on EUV light source, ultra-smooth polishing technology, EUV multilayer film and related EUV imaging technology research, forming an extreme ultraviolet optical Application technology foundation. In 2002, the first set of domestic EUV lithography principle device developed by Changchun Institute of Optoelectronics realized the principle of EUV lithography. In 2008, the national "Very Large Scale Integrated Circuit Manufacturing Equipment and Complete Process" major scientific and technological project listed EUV lithography technology as an important research task of "prospective research on 32-22nm equipment technology." As the lead unit, Changchun Institute of Optoelectronics undertook the research work of the "Key Technology Research of Extreme Ultraviolet Lithography". The member units also include the Institute of Optoelectronic Technology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Shanghai Institute of Optics and Fine Mechanics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, and Institute of Microelectronics, Chinese Academy of Sciences , Beijing Institute of Technology, Harbin Institute of Technology, Huazhong University of Science and Technology.
The research team of the Changchun Institute of Optics and Mechanics led by Jin Chunshui adheres to the persevering scientific research spirit, concentrates on research, and has accumulated a lot of hard work. After eight years of hard work, it has broken through the ultra-high-precision aspheric processing and inspection that restrict the development of extreme ultraviolet lithography in China Multi-layer film, projection objective system integration test and other core unit technologies, successfully developed a two-mirror EUV lithography objective system with a wave aberration better than 0.75 nm RMS, constructed an EUV lithography exposure device, and obtained EUV projection lithography for the first time in China 32 nm line width photoresist exposure pattern.
Jin Chunshui said: "We have established a relatively complete R & D platform for key technologies of exposure optical systems, successfully completed the research content and mission goals of major national special deployments, achieved EUV optical imaging technology leapfrogging, and significantly improved the core optical technology of extreme ultraviolet lithography in China Level."

At the same time, the implementation of the project has formed a stable research team, which lays a solid technical and talent base for China to achieve sustainable development in the next generation of lithography technology.

At the acceptance meeting, Jia Ping, director of the Changchun Institute of Optics, pointed out that the layout of the EUV project is in the window period in terms of timing and technical difficulty, and hopes that the country will provide continuous and stable support. He encouraged the project participating units to give full play to the advantages of the EUV discipline, to brave the courage to work side by side, and to achieve better results with follow-up support.

02 Tian Chun, the chief technical officer of the special general group and the director of the Institute of Microelectronics of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, also emphasized that under the situation that the international EUV lithography large production base has been established, China ’s EUV lithography research should continue to adhere to the future industrial engineering needs The focus should be on the core technologies that must be mastered and the possible breakthroughs in innovation.

In addition, Ye Tianchun commented that the lithography team of the Changchun Institute of Optical Machinery is the team that undertakes the most core, highest-end and most difficult tasks, and is also the most combative, most stress-resistant and most trustworthy main force in the special team. He encouraged the project team to shoulder the responsibility and sense of mission of major tasks and continue to climb the peak. 02 Cao Jianlin, chief commander of the special lithography machine engineering headquarters and former vice minister of the Ministry of Science and Technology, is one of the experts in the field familiar with EUV lithography in China. He believes that China has initially possessed the R & D capabilities of lithography technology and is moving towards the industrialization goal. The "Chinese lithography dream" 30 years ago is gradually becoming a reality. The establishment of the lithography technology R & D capability in China has initially established its adherence Confidence in the Chinese lithography dream. (Shen Chunlei) China Science News (2017-07-10 5th Edition Innovation Weekly)
The original article is in the Changchun Institute of Optics Website. CIT also has a subsidiary in Beijing called RS Laser which produces Arf Laser for Lithography.
Looks like they managed to produce a EUV Lithography machine with resolution of 22 - 32nm back in 2017. Not bad.
Main problem with EUV is the patents held by ASML.
Now with EUV sales to China being restricted by Wasenaar Agreement, the patents are no longer applicable in China.
I expect China to start the EUV Lithography project officially soon.
 
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