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Hendrik_2000

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Why don't you put in some technical analysis instead spewing your worthless opinions.

Cut it off it become boring with your negative coverage on Chinese semi You are not privy to the inner working of Chinese semiconductor So stop this breast beating We are here to learn but do not want to be subjected to obnoxious attitude
Here is the first look of EUV Lithograph machine
Microchips are one of the most complicated objects humanity has created, packing billions of transistors into a chip only a few centimeters across. These transistors keep getting smaller and more efficient, and the current process to make chips is already astounding, requiring dozens of steps, fantastically complicated machines, and atomic-scale precision. But the current state of the art has reached its physical limits. The structures on a chip are now smaller than the wavelength of light used to make them, and any more progress will require a big change. That change is EUV, a radically new way of making chips that uses super high energy UV light created from a complex process involving plasma and lasers. EUV will enable our devices to keep getting smaller, faster, and more efficient, but where the current process to make chips already feels like sc9i-fi technology, EUV feels like magic.
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tidalwave

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In Huawei own words.

Huawei had already warned that 2020 would be its toughest year yet, with “
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Huawei just warned UK not to change its mind as words that johnson about change his mind
 

manqiangrexue

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In Huawei own words.

Huawei had already warned that 2020 would be its toughest year yet, with “
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That's how Ren has always talked. When the US ban first came on, he talked about fighting for survival and losing a ridiculous amount of money, possibly being unable to grow for 2 years. Then, Huawei earned the most 5G contracts in the world, figured out how to make all 5G products without US components, and grew by almost 20%. This is Huawei's and Ren Zhengfei's culture. He is a soldier; every moment is a moment of peril that demands the utmost effort.
Huawei just warned UK not to change its mind as words that johnson about change his mind
So you cannot find any articles about Boris Johnson changing his mind (as you previously claimed existed in abundance)? Can you find an article about Huawei warning Johnson not to change his mind then?

Just to be clear, I don't know what will happen in the UK and cannot claim that Huawei will not lose its contract but I'm asking for evidence if you claim that they will. In the end, if the UK cancels the Huawei deal, it will be a blow to Huawei but Huawei never depended on the UK contract for anything and its development will plow forward all the same; on the other hand, it will be a bigger blow to UK telecom because as Johnson has said before, there is no alternative that comes close to Huawei for the UK.
 
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tidalwave

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That's how Ren has always talked. When the US ban first came on, he talked about fighting for survival and losing a ridiculous amount of money, possibly being unable to grow for 2 years. Then, Huawei earned the most 5G contracts in the world, figured out how to make all 5G products without US components, and grew by almost 20%. This is Huawei and Ren Zhengfei's culture.

So you cannot find any articles about Boris Johnson changing his mind (as you previously claimed existed in abundance)? Can you find an article about Huawei warning Johnson not to change his mind then?
Since you put this way, I change my mind, I not gonna to give you the link. I like to do everything opposite of you.

Doesn't matter anyway, UK dropping Huawei foregone conclusion.

I like put you in the balance
 

manqiangrexue

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Since you put this way, I change my mind, I not gonna to give you the link. I like to do everything opposite of you.
You're not doing me any favors by providing evidence for your own claims; providing evidence strengthens your own argument. It's this type of logical short-circuit that really convinces people that you cannot be an expert in any scientific field. I wanted to see you fail to post anything because I looked it up and didn't find anything so this makes your claims hollow.
Doesn't matter anyway, UK dropping Huawei foregone conclusion.
Empty claims...
I like put you in the balance
A person who values evidence should be balanced by a person who values empty claims, right? And you want people to believe you are a master of a scientific field? LOLOL
 

tidalwave

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It's not Huawei fault it's more about the the virus handling. From UK intelligence , Johnson learned that Wuhan virus lab has put on hiring of bat research scientists last yr November, and after the outbreak, all the publications on coronavirus got taken down, all the labs sample destroyed.. Even lab workers have expressed safety is not up to standard handling such dangerous virus in 2018. The origin of virus is one thing, but the Johnson reported angry about muffling of the Wuhan lab so no traces can come out. That's what he angry about.

It's possible that US army brought there, but everything got taken down from Wuhan lab is what enraged Johnson.

For me, personally, China can spend that money into better research, instead fooling around with dangerous virus. I don't care who really spread the virus at first place, China or US.

This thing is gonna implicate Huawei, and it's not it's fault. After UK, it will have a domino effect. Huawei has to branch out, in addition to 5G, communication, creepy China man saying it has most 5 G patents . well that's not enough. Huawei has to rely majority domestically for its phone sale and if it can't sell 5G to Western markets. It won't be pretty.
 
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manqiangrexue

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It's not Huawei fault it's more about the the virus handling. From UK intelligence , Johnson learned that Wuhan virus lab has put on hiring of bat research scientists last yr November, and after the outbreak, all the publications on coronavirus got taken down, all the labs sample destroyed.. Even lab workers have expressed safety is not up to standard handling such dangerous virus in 2018. The origin of virus is one thing, but the Johnson reported angry about muffling of the Wuhan lab so no traces can come out. That's what he angry about.

It's possible that US army brought there, but everything got taken down from Wuhan lab is what enraged Johnson.

For me, personally, China can spend that money into better research, instead fooling around with dangerous virus. I don't care who really spread the virus at first place, China or US.
I don't like to discuss conspiracy theory. Everything must be presented with reliable source before it becomes worthy of discussion.

All I can say in regards to conspiracy theory accusations is if Boris Johnson is evidence-based and examines claims with a clear mind and the requirement of proof, then everything will go forward normally. If he is not rational but emotional and takes claims at face value without scrutiny, then he can really do some damage to UK's economic relationship and telecoms development. It's also not completely his call.
 

tidalwave

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I don't like to discuss conspiracy theory. Everything must be presented with reliable source before it becomes worthy of discussion.

All I can say in regards to conspiracy theory accusations is if Boris Johnson is evidence-based and examines claims with a clear mind and the requirement of proof, then everything will go forward normally. If he is not rational but emotional and takes claims at face value without scrutiny, then he can really do some damage to UK's economic relationship and telecoms development. It's also not completely his call.
Wait till you got the virus and has to fight for your life in ICU and then let's see how rational you still are?

Talk is cheap!
 

tidalwave

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For Huawei, just prepare the worst case scenario, which is EU 5G contracts being lost post virus and go from there.

Survival strategy requires this type of possible worst case scenarios.
 

manqiangrexue

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Wait till you got the virus and has to fight for your life in ICU and then let's see how rational you still are?

Talk is cheap!
Well I didn't get it and I'm rational now so I don't want to go in the loony house talking about conspiracy theories.
For Huawei, just prepare the worst case scenario, which is EU 5G contracts being lost post virus and go from there.

Survival strategy requires this type of possible worst case scenarios.
I agree. Always prepare for the worst.
 
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