Why? Korean and Japanese people are essentially from the same group of people as Chinese.
Perhaps the greatest difference is the top-down cultural differences instead of anything intrinsic, and this is due to the CCP inefficiencies.
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Why? Korean and Japanese people are essentially from the same group of people as Chinese.
Perhaps the greatest difference is the top-down cultural differences instead of anything intrinsic, and this is due to the CCP inefficiencies.
I don't buy all this griping about the impossibility of developing EUV lithography soon. Just because a Chinese machine doesn't yet exist doesn't mean one couldn't. The scientific and engineering talent is there, the technology to precisely build mirrors is there - it must be given the telescopes and satellites China builds, the laser and plasma technology is all there. ASML isn't special, it just got to the patents first and locked everyone else out. Since it supplied China until recently, this wasn't a problem and Chinese companies didn't bother themselves too much with this since they would have run into the patents.
Now things have changed. ASML should be added to the unreliable entities list and there should be a very specific consequence to that that ASML and the Dutch government should understand: the EUV patents will be voided in China. They'll be moved into the public domain and any company will be able to use them. Once that happens it'll be a few years - not decades - before Chinese EUV machines roll out.
Now things have changed. ASML should be added to the unreliable entities list and there should be a very specific consequence to that that ASML and the Dutch government should understand: the EUV patents will be voided in China. They'll be moved into the public domain and any company will be able to use them. Once that happens it'll be a few years - not decades - before Chinese EUV machines roll out.
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Who's gonna pay for it when the risk fails? You? If this is how you talk about your leadership when China is growing faster than any other country basically at every technology, then what will you say about them if they take a gamble and it fails? The current trends show China rising and overtaking the US, both economically and technologically. The one that is desperate to take a risk to change this is the US, not China. Accomplishments are accomplishments. The CCP has done many things that no other government can do, including challenging the US. It's an endless argument to say that someone else could have done even better. But the fact is that there is no government in the world as successful as the CCP in raising its country.
No, we don't. We are glad for the CCP's leadership and realize that to undermine it like you are now only does harm to China. Unity brings power. What you are doing now is exactly what the US wants to see: Chinese people calling their own government pathetic and turning on it. What's more amazing is that you do so in such a time of success so that it's impossible to appease your arguments because no matter what you are given, you will always say that someone else could have brought more success.
Because Korea and Japan kissed American ass, so these little fellows were allowed to take a niche specialty and keep it... as long as they submit to the American agenda. China maintains that it will challenge and overtake the US in every field and never bow to it so it has been fighting American pressure from day 1. Rather than focusing on a few niche industries, China has to grow in all arenas all under the antagonization of the world's sole superpower and its cronies while Japan and Korea just roll over like dogs and play ball to be allowed these niche specialties. Think about all the things that China does that Japan or Korea can't. Isn't this vast difference obvious? The kind of pressure that the US puts on China would crush Japan or Korea overnight leaving them crying and asking what they have to do to be granted reprieve but it is the leadership of the CCP commanding the power of 1.4B Chinese people that allows China to not only take all this pressure head on but still grow faster than any other country despite it.
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That would be mission accomplished by US government. Huawei fallen during this time, losing its 5G leadership.
It could survive and make a comeback at 6G but this time China would be fully prepared, manufacturing all its chips and have its own equipment.
Maybe China and Huawei don't deserve 5G leadership because it's piggypacked in Western tech.
A huge lesson learned going forward
Actually Japanese is hardcore, doesn't depend on any US tech. They love fundamental science, it's their passion.
Their optics like from Nikon and precision control beat what US has.
Yes they have lithography equipment but got tripped up by ASML inEUV But they can succeed and make come back.
They are sneaky as hell, while all the commotion at 5g they already come out a 6g sample, 40 times of 5g
Their optics like from Nikon and precision control beat what US has.
Yes they have lithography equipment but got tripped up by ASML inEUV But they can succeed and make come back.
They are sneaky as hell, while all the commotion at 5g they already come out a 6g sample, 40 times of 5g
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Yeah, but they are allowed to develop that passion without the US threatening to economically sanction them and anyone doing business with them or militarily harassing their territories. Are all Japanese tech independent of foreign suppliers? I don't know but I doubt it. To the best of my knowledge, the US has not tried to attack and break their supply chain.
I ain't never seen no "hardcore" country have its constitution written by someone who beat its ass in war and then cozy up to that country as an "ally" afterwards. Iran is hardcore; Japan is hardcore masochist maybe LOL
Because of chinese companies yelling and screaming doing AI , 5G chips like baidu, baba, Korea decides to spend $100 billion on EUV lithography to make chips for Chinese, and make majority of the profit. Right now alot of smoke and mirrors with alot of Chinese companies. This needs to be rectified
You're acting like they had a choice. If Huawei didn't rely on US tech then it wouldn't have 5G leadership to lose. It already designed out almost all US tech in its latest products less than a year after the embargo.
This is just trading one point of vulnerability for another. I want the vulnerable points strengthened, which means China must focus on the fundamentals. Unless Japan is willing to license its technology and show China all its ins and outs, its technology is worthless beyond being just another target for espionage. China has got to be able to build these machines - what is standing in its way?
I don't know how Iran does it. China has the size and strength to withstand US pressure, Iran doesn't. Iran is being crushed.
It's all domestic parts. I have examined their high end equipment they are all Japanese parts if not 100% at least 95%
Sometimes you need to swallow pride and tip your hat to your opponent and give credit where it's due
Were it not for the 1989 EU/US Arms Embargo, China would be begging for F-35 like the Taiwan, or PAK-FA Su-50 like the Indians. Ask someone in 2001 that China will have it's own stealth fighter prototype within one decade, THEY WOULD LAUGH AT YOUR FACE. Now before 3 decades since arms embargo, we have our own fleet of operational 5th gen J-20 stealth fighters, something even RUSSIANS can't boast.
Often, the impetus to be self-reliant comes from external forces, not internal forces. US sanction is a BLESSING IN DISGUISE, something the Chinese can overcome with time and money and people resources. It's a political decision at this point. US can only delay China's rise by a decade or two at most, China will eventually catchup with the world's leading tech in semiconductor chips.
Often, the impetus to be self-reliant comes from external forces, not internal forces. US sanction is a BLESSING IN DISGUISE, something the Chinese can overcome with time and money and people resources. It's a political decision at this point. US can only delay China's rise by a decade or two at most, China will eventually catchup with the world's leading tech in semiconductor chips.
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