Future PLAN Forecast Thread: Number, disposition, etc.

[maozedong]

An add on to what I have said... what SampanViking and maozedong had stated are only countries that are friendly to China and had not jump into the China threat issues - Yet.

However, being friendly to China doesn't necessary mean they would allow for military exchanges and joint exercises. It is not that simple.

There are many folds to this equation.

1) Do those countries that you state have any strong navies? If not, I don't think China would learn much from joint exercises with these countries (of course I am not saying that all of the stated countries had weak navies).

2) Why are these nations friendly to China? Mainly because they have something to gain. And all countries would weigh the pro and cons when they are going to have military exchanges with china... if the cons out-weigh the pro, then there will not be any military exchanges.

3) Do China really want to have joint exercise with Navies that operate practically just a few boats?

Of course there are many other agendas out there that might prevent these exercises from ever happening, such as,

a) Politic
b) Economic
c) International pressures.

So all of us know that China should have joint exercises with other strong navies so that she could actually exposes her weakness and improved on them, but sometime it is not whether China should... but sometime it boils down to whether she could or not?

I just said the PLAN's future areas of operation, not exercises.
of course with other strong navies joint exercises is better, but dosn't mean this is only way.
not only chinese navy, army, air force, they are all get nothing with other strong countries joint exerises, also, Western has been sanction of China for 60 years, but PLA still getting strong.
of course, if China got Western help, chinese military got double strong, not like some body said behind the world 20 years.
but PLA is still world power now.
also, in fact, there are no any strong countries would real help others become strong military power.

 

[rhino123]

I just said the PLAN's future areas of operation, not exercises.
of course with other strong navies joint exercises is better, but dosn't mean this is only way.
not only chinese navy, army, air force, they are all get nothing with other strong countries joint exerises, also, Western has been sanction of China for 60 years, but PLA still getting strong.
of course, if China got Western help, chinese military got double strong, not like some body said behind the world 20 years.
but PLA is still world power now.
also, in fact, there are no any strong countries would real help others become strong military power.

Maybe I have misunderstand your post previously, my bad... needed more coffee I thought you are posting another candidate for China's partner for exercises.

As to China being behind the world by 20 years... that is something I would like to rebuke. I don't think so... maybe some of her technologies are old but certainly not as far back... plus by the meaning of the world... those people (not you, don't be mistaken) must have been living under the rock.

Maybe China is still behind in term of naval technology by quite a bit when you compare it to US and some European nations. But certainly she had an edge over most of Asian countries (not counting Japan and South Korea -which incidently get heaps of helps from US).

Anyway, China's main route now is not going to more exercises with friendly nation... no... her main need now was to have a much stabler economy... and also show some of her presence overseas so as to safeguard her investment and interest.

Her navy is good enough for now...

 

[maozedong]

Maybe I have misunderstand your post previously, my bad... needed more coffee I thought you are posting another candidate for China's partner for exercises.

As to China being behind the world by 20 years... that is something I would like to rebuke. I don't think so... maybe some of her technologies are old but certainly not as far back... plus by the meaning of the world... those people (not you, don't be mistaken) must have been living under the rock.

Maybe China is still behind in term of naval technology by quite a bit when you compare it to US and some European nations. But certainly she had an edge over most of Asian countries (not counting Japan and South Korea -which incidently get heaps of helps from US).

Anyway, China's main route now is not going to more exercises with friendly nation... no... her main need now was to have a much stabler economy... and also show some of her presence overseas so as to safeguard her investment and interest.

Her navy is good enough for now...

yes,you are right, I think China in the future 10 years, for her navy, just needs time to learn how to man the new system, as soon as PLAN receive more new naval system, PLAN will go far more to the sea.
in fact, the U.S military is world most of super power,the U.S most of exercises are from the war,in world war II,the U.S army,navy,air force,all joined the war.
after wold war II, the U.S almost still non stop joined the war,from Korean war to today Afrikaans, the U.S military exercises in Afrikaans war every day.
the second way exercises for U.S military is holding against training it's self,like blue vs red, in fact,all countries no chance to exercises with their enemy,in cold war, the U.S exercises with Soviet Union, you know that's impassable,therefor,both countries could not find them self weakness, what only can do they holding against training exercises,training like real battle.

 

[antiterror13]

A very interesting site showing pictures of future PLAN navy vessels. they look like 054B, 071B, 051D and 052D. What do you guys think ?

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[bd popeye]

I've seen all those models before. Over a year ago..
Those DDGs and FFGs have tooo many VLS cells making them un-seawothy. Toooo much weight. More is not better. And one of them has VLS cells on top of the hangar..WTH? How's that gonna work?

As posted by AssassinsMace on 09.15.2009.
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/general-pictures/ps-artist-renditions-4-4494.html#post106342

 

[montyp165]

The DDG seems pretty decent overall, just modifying the center VLS tubes would be enough to make it so.

 

[bd popeye]

The DDG seems pretty decent overall, just modifying the center VLS tubes would be enough to make it so.

That may work but that rear VLS will interfere with helo operations in combat.

And on that CV, .. that aircraft elevator arrangement on the STBD(Right) side did not work well on the Forrestal class why would it work better now nearly 60 years later? And that elevator in the landing area(see the outline)..not a good idea. Also that VLS cell on the flight deck will interfere with flight ops and navigation from the bridge.

 

[Blitzo]

I really wish those Chinese fanboys wouldn't create such implausible (and awesome looking) designs -- they're just setting themselves up for dissapointment when the real thing arrives

 

[samba]

Anyone know anything about whats coming out of the flap at the very rear of the destroyer with 3 vls?

Looks like a mini sub

 

[Skywatcher]

That or towed array sonar or torpedoes.