Future PLAN Forecast Thread: Number, disposition, etc.

[Scratch]

Re: Ideal Chinese Navy

The idea proposed by Totoro would lead to specialisation, IMO. The respective yards become proficient in the very part they do, therefore build those parts a little faster, better, cheaper.
Shipping those parts to one final assambly line should not pose that big an obstacle.
However, you should of course try to not split up the contruction process too much.
Customized warships ...
They perhaps don't have to be really modular, but you could use one hull and certain elements like the propulsion and make different versions.
One for AAW with the radars, many VLS tubes and an AEW VTOL UAV. One ASuW with guns, more CMs, ISR UAVs and boarding capabilities. And one ASW with one or two VDS, ASW helos and ASROCs.
Corvettes could then do patrol duties.

The part in wich you loose here is numbers, and therefore force dispersion.
Something to consider, of course.

 

[planeman]

Re: Ideal Chinese Navy

I think PLAN could do with an "expeditionary frigate" similar to the Danish ones in terms of overall capability and similar to the LCS in some respects too. It'd have most of the features of the Type 054A but also a modest roll-on-roll-off hanger and a navalised large MRLS (Smerch or like) for shore bombardment. It could double as a GP frigate but also act as a key part of power projection capability.

Another area for development is semi-submersible missile corvettes.

 

[proelite]

A follow up to the Ideal Chinese Navy Thread, which mainly focused on national defense and regional power projection.

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/ideal-chinese-navy-2390.html

In this thread we discuss what will kind of navy will it take for China to maintain a convincing naval presence around Africa for an extended period of time. The fleet needs to be able to deter European and US, but not necessarily fight toe to toe with the US navy. It also needs to be able to support an invasion/liberation of an African state in the same way that US Fifth Fleet did in Iraq/Afghanistan.

 

[montyp165]

The standing strength of the PLAN should be at least around 300 combat warships of frigate size or larger, to provide the minimum necessary force for long-term global deployments.

 

[ABC78]

Hey Guys I saw this conversation on GPS and would put it on a existing thread but I didn't find one that matched the discussion on the video.

The discussion is about China's rise as a sea power and the strategy going forward.

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[Asymptote]

Re: The PLAN's Future Areas of Opperation

Its just the standard scaremongering news reporting.
America had over 70 AEGIS destroyers/cruisers, with 11 super aircraft carriers (90 aircrafts onboard) that forms into battle groups (CVBG) - with more than half a centuries of experience operating it.
China is only taking baby steps, with TWO "Aegis-like" destroyer (052c), and *maybe* 2 small aircraft carriers (15-30 aircrafts onboard). Its destroyers can't even protect its own aircraft carriers! (1 each?! I doubt it can even cover 1 side)

It needs to produce at least 8 more 052c (5 each) to be able to complete the 2 battle groups strategy (and maybe 2 SSNs covering the sea beneath)

 

[bd popeye]

Re: The PLAN's Future Areas of Opperation

America had over 70 AEGIS destroyers/cruisers

79 at this time and one more to be commissioned in November. And building 3 others.

with 11 super aircraft carriers (90 aircrafts onboard)

Airwings have been downsized to about 70 aircraft. At the maximum only 7 CVNs could be underway at one time.

It needs to produce at least 8 more 052c (5 each) to be able to complete the 2 battle groups strategy (and maybe 2 SSNs covering the sea beneath)

China needs more capable escorts to send an effective CSG to sea. Also China needs to have more real World exercises with other navies. Send those ships to sea!!

 

[rhino123]

Re: The PLAN's Future Areas of Opperation

China needs more capable escorts to send an effective CSG to sea. Also China needs to have more real World exercises with other navies. Send those ships to sea!!

Problem is... not many countries with aircraft carriers wanted to share their experience with China, much less to have joint exercises... And those who would have joint exercises might not be extremely well verse in CBG operations or doesn't even have a carrier.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Re: The PLAN's Future Areas of Opperation

Given how intensely the media reacted the last time China sent ships through the Okinawa strait I really doubt that anyone will support the presence of Chinese carriers in the open sea. Since aircraft carriers aren't needed to combat Somalian pirates I predict that Chinese carriers might be forced to stay in Asian waters for the next 20-30 years.

 

[EDIATH]

Re: The PLAN's Future Areas of Opperation

I'm surprised nobody mentioned about SSNs, which count half of the sea dominating capability of USN.

The very fact that PLAN is building a bunch of diesel engine powered frigates after scores of missile boats indicates they are pursuing a defensive strategy, with perhaps a hint of operational capabilities beyond the EEZ such as fighting AK-waiving pirates. Large projects such as carrier or LPD seem to be more simbolic (to showcase the country's status) than (functionally) purposeful, due to the small quantity of them.

Scaremongers can't live without an enemy, they will make one if they can't find one.