Future PLAN Forecast Thread: Number, disposition, etc.

D

delft

Brigadier
It seems the frigates stay at see for the whole three months, then go visiting as far as the Mediterranean or South Africa, but the supplier entered ports in the neighborhood to top off. I remember they visited Djibouti, Aden and a port in Oman.
 
F

franco-russe

Senior Member
Red___Sword said:
Comrade (pardon me, pal), naming something, or "feel the meaning" of any name, is of course anyone's own sense, but how you call it, simply shows your attitude. (like calling "the communist China" everytime, FREAKING 20 YEARS AFTER the end of cold war, still, on your day-to-day media)

FYI, commonly, people call it "South China Sea", not "South Chinese Sea" (or better, "Chinese South Sea"), me for one, would "childishly" happy if everyone starts to call it like the 2nd one (3rd one even better), in English. - It is all but "jeu de mots" (paronomasia), but isn't "LEGAL BUSINESS" also a "jeu de mots" (paronomasia)?
Click to expand...

As I am not a Товарищ, I prefer to be adressed neither as comrade nor for that matter pal (Sir would do, though).

But while we are discussing exotic future destinations for China’s, it PLAN is doing what it is supposed to do, by conducting an exercise east of the first island chain, as on 8 June a naval force of 11 units crossing the Ryukyus (under theoretical Chinese suzerainty until 1874, when they were seized by Japan). Only 8 have been identified so far, including three of the SOVREMENNYY’s (136, 137, 138). This seems to be largely a repetition of last year’s exercise in April, where 14 ships participated, including two SOVREMENNYY’s (137 and 139) as well as two KILO’s.

The prominent role played by the SOVREMENNYY indicates that PLAN rightly considers these powerful destroyers as its principal surface striking force.

Since Red_Sword likes a “jeu de mots”, may I suggest that the Chinese stop having “les nerfs à fleur de peau” and feeling victimised. I am sure that at least the majority of non-Chinese readers of this forum find it entirely natural that China reassumes its position as one of the world’s greatest powers, with an increasingly powerful military.

And yes, I am aware that Nanhai is referred to as the South China Sea by the English-speaking peoples, even though it breaks with normal English linguistic practice, which usually forms place names such as the Persian Gulf you mention, but the Gulf of Mexico.
 
I

i.e.

Senior Member
Hey,

No one is talking about East Sea Fleet's recent delployment?
11 ships + subs underneath.
include 3 Sovs and a bunch of old 053Hs.
At least 1 054A. + sub support and auxiliaries.

Some thing big is up.

my money is on missile test with the new fatty.
 
Geographer

Geographer

Junior Member
Are you sure? I get the impression Russian exports to China have tightened in the last 5-7 years as China's indigenous programs have ramped up. It's like they were happy to sell arms to china when China was weak, like the late 1990s with the Sovs and Su-30MKK and MK2s, but then refused to sell Tu-22M Backfires, Su-33s, or pretty much anything significant since the Su-33MK2. They developed the PAK-FA with India, not China. My impression now is that Russia is bitter about China's ability to develop its own weapon systems that Russia perceives as having ripped off Russian tech.
 
F

franco-russe

Senior Member
The complete list of surface ships in this year’s Western Pacific task force is:

SOVREMENNYY 136
SOVREMENNYY 137
SOVREMENNYY II 138
JIANGKAI II 548
JIANGWEI I 541
JIANGWEI I 542
JIANGWEI II 524
Type 815 851
FUQING 882
DAJIANG 862
TUZHONG DONGTUO 830

i.e. the total of 11 reported. In addition, one would guess that there are more than just one KILO.
 
R

Red___Sword

Junior Member
franco-russe said:
As I am not a Товарищ, I prefer to be adressed neither as comrade nor for that matter pal (Sir would do, though).

But while we are discussing exotic future destinations for China’s, it PLAN is doing what it is supposed to do, by conducting an exercise east of the first island chain, as on 8 June a naval force of 11 units crossing the Ryukyus (under theoretical Chinese suzerainty until 1874, when they were seized by Japan). Only 8 have been identified so far, including three of the SOVREMENNYY’s (136, 137, 138). This seems to be largely a repetition of last year’s exercise in April, where 14 ships participated, including two SOVREMENNYY’s (137 and 139) as well as two KILO’s.

The prominent role played by the SOVREMENNYY indicates that PLAN rightly considers these powerful destroyers as its principal surface striking force.

Since Red_Sword likes a “jeu de mots”, may I suggest that the Chinese stop having “les nerfs à fleur de peau” and feeling victimised. I am sure that at least the majority of non-Chinese readers of this forum find it entirely natural that China reassumes its position as one of the world’s greatest powers, with an increasingly powerful military.

And yes, I am aware that Nanhai is referred to as the South China Sea by the English-speaking peoples, even though it breaks with normal English linguistic practice, which usually forms place names such as the Persian Gulf you mention, but the Gulf of Mexico.
Click to expand...

Well salute to you sire, for I was skeptical about mentioning such things under the "watchful eyes" here, you have nevertheless used the word "suzerainty", which we value the spirit 打开天窗说亮话 "speak under the sunlight".

The "path" the PLAN fleet takes to the "drilling range", is considered even by Japanese press: "International Water way", which leaves us a very interesting topic: Even when The Imperium Japan sized that places and those islands when Chinese military were busy keeping people from shaving their own pigtails - Japan, today, as a defacto occupier of most of the islands in "first island chain", DARE NOT (legally or bully) claim the "water", of which the islands "chained".

Why interesting, for the "International Custom" is as it is (like this)?

Because China, never lossing the "South Sea" (let's forget the word playing) even at her weakest (lost suzerainty over many states like Vietnam for one, though), claiming the full sovereignty of the whole South Sea, despite whether there are islands / reef around or not. The defacto occupation / administration of certain spots is one thing, the "no shitting around" sovereignty claim, is another.

Without trolling, I guess when the world ACCEPTS British control of Furklan Island (anyone correct my spelling please?) and "stuff like that", the world just "have no comments" on "island" and "water" things.

PS. Here's a topic: The 琉球群岛 Ryukyu Islands, the WHOLE chain of isles, are not "disputed territory", they are "suzerainty-non-clear-municipality", of which used to be China's protectorate for 500 years, occupied by Imperium Japan at recent 100+ years, "Liberated" (and "administrated") by USA during WWII, and by NOT SOVEREIGNTY ACKNOWLEDGED ("administrated" but not "acknowledged") by either party (China, USA and Japan), it has been "transfered"(US Japan undertable dealing) to Modern Japanese goverment's "administration".

The SOVEREIGENTY (if independent) or SUZERAINTY (if "part of *** country") of Ryukyu, is NOT CONCLUDED yet. The offical Chinese ministry of foreign affairs statement: China NEVER acknowledged Japan have any SOVEREIGNTY over Ryukyu, nor dose China acknowledges the illegal "TRANSFER" of administration by USA and Japan.

The fleet? It's just China acknowledges, what is NON-ACKNOWLEDGE-ABLE, of what MOFA stated.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top