TerraN_EmpirE
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X2 is demonstrator Jura, it's an X plane meant to demonstrate technologies the results of which would be the production aircraft that the British are interested in.
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Jura The idiot
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Jura The idiot
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
This was always coming.
Where were these guys when the C17 line was open? oh that's right they were warm and soft in complacency. I think I said long ago It would be a good Idea for NATO to pick up a few C17 for use by the organization on their own.
Now though little late.
but They have options.
the tanker issue is supposed to be under fixing as the French at least had an order for 12 A330MRT if they order more they may have that cleared up.
if Airbus could get it's act together with the A400M they may have a chance to patch some of there medium transport needs.
but strategic demands bigger.
C17 is out of production as and C5M conversions are limited by serviceable airframes The US will not have a new large transport line for sometime unless the french want to pay for a run of them which would not be cheap. The next US strategic lifter is planned in 2035.
IL76 is also out as the whole reason is worry about relations with Russia.
coming close is the An70 but that is only 10 tons more than A400M
About the only production dedicated craft of C17 size right now are the Chinese Y20.
If they are willing to take another root though for a time there was another concept looked into from time to time using commercial liners for transport to augment mission needs, the problem was that it would cost more and could not use less austere runways. the US plan sported C19 and C33 for 747 variants Airbus had offered the A380F as a freighter option but how well it could do?
Or there is this.
Where were these guys when the C17 line was open? oh that's right they were warm and soft in complacency. I think I said long ago It would be a good Idea for NATO to pick up a few C17 for use by the organization on their own.
Now though little late.
but They have options.
the tanker issue is supposed to be under fixing as the French at least had an order for 12 A330MRT if they order more they may have that cleared up.
if Airbus could get it's act together with the A400M they may have a chance to patch some of there medium transport needs.
but strategic demands bigger.
C17 is out of production as and C5M conversions are limited by serviceable airframes The US will not have a new large transport line for sometime unless the french want to pay for a run of them which would not be cheap. The next US strategic lifter is planned in 2035.
IL76 is also out as the whole reason is worry about relations with Russia.
coming close is the An70 but that is only 10 tons more than A400M
About the only production dedicated craft of C17 size right now are the Chinese Y20.
If they are willing to take another root though for a time there was another concept looked into from time to time using commercial liners for transport to augment mission needs, the problem was that it would cost more and could not use less austere runways. the US plan sported C19 and C33 for 747 variants Airbus had offered the A380F as a freighter option but how well it could do?
Or there is this.
Jura The idiot
General
yeah I noticed it's 'excelent', 'turning into phenomenal success' type of project:
Feb 15, 2017
Today at 5:15 PM
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Like I said "get it's act together". Of course I was being nice perhaps I should have said "Pull it's head out of it's Arse"
Jura The idiot
General
LOL I'd agree it's a good idea to be subtle on a Military Forum
Joint Warrior: An Atlantique 2 in Scotland
Twice a year, the British Armed Forces organize the Joint Warrior exercises. This mainly naval training brought together elements of the armed forces of Northern Europe (Germany, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium ...) as well as representatives of the United States and Canada. The objective is to set up complex and realistic scenarios by bringing together important means. The north of Scotland offers good conditions for training with the possibility of exercises on the high seas as in the coastal zone taking advantage of the cut-off coast and the islands of the west.
Maritime patrol aircraft also participate in "Joint Warrior". For this first edition of 2017, the contingent of "Patmar" is rather reduced with two P-8A Poseidon of the US Navy, a German P-3 Orion and a French ATL2 of the 23F fleet. The double of aircraft sometimes participate in "Joint Warrior". These aircraft operate from the Lossiemouth air base in northern Scotland. A Royal Air Force base that will soon host the P-8s
"Joint Warrior" allows the crews of Lann-Bihoué to train to their main mission, the air-sea combat, they who are very solicited in operation for missions airterrestres. Above the waves, the ATL2 can carry out anti-submarine warfare (ASM), superior surface combat (LAS), surveillance and intelligence (SRI) or sea rescue missions.
The crews emphasize the versatility of the aircraft. If they prepare a specific mission before taking off, they can re-configure themselves in flight very quickly. For the various missions, the ATL2 uses the complementarity of its sensors: radar, electronic warfare and optical (FLIR and view). Other sensors are dedicated to underwater fighting: the magnetic anomaly detector and the acoustic buoys. For ASM and LAS the objectives of the missions are quite identical: to detect, locate, postpone and engage.
During "Joint Warrior", two naval forces are opposed. Maritime patrol aircraft are allocated alternately to one or other of these forces. They are generally under the tactical control of an air defense frigate belonging to this force. The exercise also makes it possible to work interoperability with Allied naval forces and to verify the proper functioning of the communications.
The exercise also assesses the level of allies. The French found the rise of the P-8A of the US Navy. The Canadian CP-140 Aurora are considered among the best "Patmar" in the world. France, on the other hand, retains an important know-how but the renovation of the devices is very awaited
Twice a year, the British Armed Forces organize the Joint Warrior exercises. This mainly naval training brought together elements of the armed forces of Northern Europe (Germany, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium ...) as well as representatives of the United States and Canada. The objective is to set up complex and realistic scenarios by bringing together important means. The north of Scotland offers good conditions for training with the possibility of exercises on the high seas as in the coastal zone taking advantage of the cut-off coast and the islands of the west.
Maritime patrol aircraft also participate in "Joint Warrior". For this first edition of 2017, the contingent of "Patmar" is rather reduced with two P-8A Poseidon of the US Navy, a German P-3 Orion and a French ATL2 of the 23F fleet. The double of aircraft sometimes participate in "Joint Warrior". These aircraft operate from the Lossiemouth air base in northern Scotland. A Royal Air Force base that will soon host the P-8s
"Joint Warrior" allows the crews of Lann-Bihoué to train to their main mission, the air-sea combat, they who are very solicited in operation for missions airterrestres. Above the waves, the ATL2 can carry out anti-submarine warfare (ASM), superior surface combat (LAS), surveillance and intelligence (SRI) or sea rescue missions.
The crews emphasize the versatility of the aircraft. If they prepare a specific mission before taking off, they can re-configure themselves in flight very quickly. For the various missions, the ATL2 uses the complementarity of its sensors: radar, electronic warfare and optical (FLIR and view). Other sensors are dedicated to underwater fighting: the magnetic anomaly detector and the acoustic buoys. For ASM and LAS the objectives of the missions are quite identical: to detect, locate, postpone and engage.
During "Joint Warrior", two naval forces are opposed. Maritime patrol aircraft are allocated alternately to one or other of these forces. They are generally under the tactical control of an air defense frigate belonging to this force. The exercise also makes it possible to work interoperability with Allied naval forces and to verify the proper functioning of the communications.
The exercise also assesses the level of allies. The French found the rise of the P-8A of the US Navy. The Canadian CP-140 Aurora are considered among the best "Patmar" in the world. France, on the other hand, retains an important know-how but the renovation of the devices is very awaited
