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Jeff Head

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Homeported to Toulon as the 3rd, the 2 next as the 2 first to Brest and the last 2 AAW variant for Toulon and i hope more with new President hehe
Yes, the French now have four...and they have built six.

But that is okay...they are paying the bills. LOL!

By comparison, the Itlains have also launched six vessels...but all of them are for italy, and that sixth one should be handed over to their Navy next month.

Pretty nice vessels, and a good build rate between the two yards. Both "fiststs" were delivered in 2012. Not, five years later, they are about to deliver the 14th FFG. That's almost three a year build rate between the two yards.
 

FORBIN

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Yes, the French now have four...and they have built six.

But that is okay...they are paying the bills. LOL!

By comparison, the Itlains have also launched six vessels...but all of them are for italy, and that sixth one should be handed over to their Navy next month.

Pretty nice vessels, and a good build rate between the two yards. Both "fiststs" were delivered in 2012. Not, five years later, they are about to deliver the 14th FFG. That's almost three a year build rate between the two yards.
Italians are enough different a little more big, a radar EMPAR as on Horizon DDGs, only 16 missiles in VLS vs 32 but a hangar for 2 ASW helos vs 1 and 1 x 127 mm or 76 mm dépends variants vs a 76 mm for French/Aquitaine.

BTW the new FTI which want same price than a Aquitaine have VLS with 16 missiles... questionable...but with new AESA radar " Sea Fire 500 " are an AEGIS like ship FREMM is not with Herakles seems Aquitaine AAW variant get an Herakles more powerful or clealy better eventualy " Sea Fire 500 " i hope.

At less FTI are a more capable FFG than La Fayette which don't have TLT, ASW helo and Sonar !!! - modernisation is only for sonar normaly - but a battery of 16 missiles ( possible 32 missiles with a 76 mm gun not with a 127 mm too big ) for a FTI is insufficient for 2 reason in general 2 SAMs are fired vs an ennemy missile and VLS are not reloadable at sea which is a big disadvantage for these systems and which need incontestably a fix , launcher with arms have a clear inferior rate of fire but in general reloadable.

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20 000 euros par mois pour un Leclerc opérationnel
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246 249 euros, c’est le coût unitaire par an en 2016 du maintien en condition opérationnelle (MCO) des chars Leclerc - soit environ 20000 euros par mois. Ce chiffre est donné par le ministère de la défense au
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à une question du parlementaire. Le MCO du Leclerc, dont l’âge moyen est de 15 ans, coûte donc 60 millions d’euros par an.

On apprend aussi que 241 Leclerc étaient « en service » fin 2016, avec un taux disponibilité de 61% « sur la durée de l’année » - soit en moyenne 147 chars lourds disponibles.

A noter que le porte-chars du Leclerc TRM 700/100 souffre d’une faible disponibilité (35%) pour un parc de 116 véhicules - soit 40 disponibles en moyenne.

A titre de comparaison, le MCO unitaire du VBCI (Véhciule blincé de combat d’infanterie) est de 54107 euros, avec un âge moyen de 6 ans. 625 VBCI sont en service, avec une disponibilité de 74%.

Parmi les mauvaises disponiblités, inférieures à 1 sur 2, on note le PVP (31%), l’AMX 10 RCR (48%), le VAB (42%) ou les camions TRM 10000.
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"246 249 euros, it is the unit cost per year in 2016 of the maintenance in operational condition (MCO) of Leclerc tanks - that is to say approximately 20000 euros per month. This figure is given by the Ministry of Defense to the deputy (LR, Haute-Marne) François Corinut-Gentille in a written reply to a question from the parliamentarian. Leclerc's MCO, whose average age is 15 years, costs 60 million euros a year.

It is also reported that 241 Leclerc were "in service" at the end of 2016, with an availability rate of 61% "over the duration of the year" - an average of 147 heavy tanks available.

Note that the tank carrier of the Leclerc TRM 700/100 suffers from a low availability (35%) for a fleet of 116 vehicles - or 40 available on average.

By way of comparison, the unitary MCO of the VBCI (Blinded Vehicle of Infantry Combat) is 54107 euros, with an average age of 6 years. 625 VBCIs are in service, with an availability of 74%.

Among the poor availability, less than 1 in 2, PVP (31%), AMX 10 RCR (48%), VAB (42%) or TRM 10000 trucks."
 

FORBIN

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The TALIOS nacelle has been tested in an operational context

While the Directorate General of Armaments (DGA), Dassault Aviation and Thales have just validated the integration of the METEOR long-range air-to-air missile on the Rafale, these same players have also concluded a new flight test The TALIOS nacelle.

Indeed, according to our information, during the course of the beginning of March 2017, a third Revue d'Aptitude à l'Utilization (RAU) was conducted under the aegis of the DGA Essais en Vol.

Dassault Aviation, the manufacturer of the Thales nacelle, the Military Air Experiment Center (CEAM) of the French Air Force and the Aeronautical Experimentation Center (CEPA) / 10S, National Navy).
As for the integration shot of the METEOR, it was the R30 F3-R Rafale B301 which was responsible for all flight tests but associated with other conventional force systems such as A Rafale M of the French Navy and JTAC on the ground (Joint Terminal Attack Controller).

All of these in-flight tests would have been carried out with the TALIOS platform, both day and night.
The objective of these flights was to analyze the capabilities of the TALIOS nacelle in an operational context, where it would operate in a variety of environments, in cities, mountains, rural areas and marine environments.

In addition to observing the behavior of the nacelle in these different environments, according to several sources, tests have been carried out on Close Air Support (CAS) missions with French JTACs equipped with the ROVER system (Remotely Operated Video Enhanced Receiver).

In addition, the capabilities of long-range observations have also been analyzed.
Finally, in order to ensure the true performances of the TALIOS, joint flights were conducted with Rafales equipped with the DAMOCLES platform to observe the differences that may exist between these two systems during the treatment of the same objective.

The qualification of TALIOS is expected to take place in 2018, as will its introduction into the armed forces. Of the 45 nacelles that have to equip the Air Force and the French Navy, 20 have already been ordered by France.

As a reminder, the TALIOS is a multifunctional optronic nacelle of the French equipment manufacturer Thales, and successor of the DAMOCLES currently in service in the theaters of operations.

It must be capable of recognizing and identifying potential terrestrial targets, such as aerial targets and, above all, laser targeting in favor of laser-guided air-to-ground weaponry (GBA as AASM).
Capable of being used day or night, this PDL-NG (Pod of Designation Laser - New Generation) will be more powerful than the current nacelle, the DAMOCLES, and must have a TV channel, in color.
All the images collected by this nacelle can be transmitted at the same time to allies in the air as well as in the field, since it will be equipped with an ascending and descending data link.

In addition, coupled with the Rafale F3-R standard, TALIOS must be able to integrate the collected images into a 3D mapping installed in the Rafale computer systems, display tactical elements of the mission on the visual display and carry out a Followed by mobile targets.

Its manufacturer explains that the pod "includes non-traditional NTISR (Non-Traditional Information, Surveillance and Reconnaissance) capabilities with a Permanent Vision system offering a wide field of view and valuable contextual information."

Its ease of assembly and connection with the aircraft currently in service must enable it to be taken to the Rafale Air and Marine, the Mirage 2000D, as well as to the Export aircraft (Egypt in particular).
Announced by Defens'Aero in May 2016, the first flight test campaign was held on April 28, 2016, under the direction of the DGA.

The first flight was made by the Mirage 2000 DGA Test Bench from Cazaux Airbase 120 as it is occupied by the DGA Flight Test site.

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