Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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siegecrossbow

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Don't just read this and think "haha funny meme", there is a lot behind how absurd things like this can happen in Taiwan.
Most Taiwanese talking heads are probably smart enough and worldly enough to have a rough idea what mainland China is like and know Chinese people can afford salted eggs and pickled cabbage. However much like Hong Kong people prior to NSL and like westerners, Taiwanese have been raised with the idea that they're much richer and superior compared to mainlanders. Therefore if a TV talking head gets on air and tell the truth: that China is developing very rapidly and many cities in fact enjoy higher standard of living than Taiwanese then you know what will happen? People will switch channel.

Therefore in the interest of viewer ship TV personalities will just say what people want to hear, and here we are.

Despite this people at some level know they are deceiving themselves. That's also why you can see Americans who at once dismiss China as going to collapse any day now, yet at the same time seem to worry sick about China is going to take over the world. Taiwanese people at some level also know they're just sticking their head in the sand, but as with emperor's new clothes there's a lot of self interest in perpetuating this mass delusion.

To wake them up from this fantasy worldview they've built themselves you need facts. That's why these recent exercises are having an effect - by shattering the illusion of ROCNMD in control of things you get people to question the narrative. Chinese people with an interest in reunification pretty much all know this deal that's why you see them do things like this, to further break up their dream world where Taiwan is number one. The more this mass delusion is removed the greater the chance for peaceful reunification.

Don't look up.
 

escobar

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These recent escalations in tensions back and forth is ultimately bad for business. And it reinforces the US message: “speed up your plans to diversify your business out of China”.

It’s exactly what the US wants. For many years the international business community didn’t believe war in the near future is a real possibility. They believe it now.
Business want to diversifiy from TW also
 

Overlord

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These recent escalations in tensions back and forth is ultimately bad for business. And it reinforces the US message: “speed up your plans to diversify your business out of China”.

It’s exactly what the US wants. For many years the international business community didn’t believe war in the near future is a real possibility. They believe it now.
War will occur, because USA would push taiwan to declare themselves as an independent nation by around 2024-27 by that time USA would have chip factory at home and china would be forced to do military operation in taiwan and same Ukraine like urban warfare will occur. West and it's Allies will impose sanction, companies will pull out their business from china because of public opinion in west and their allies country supporting taiwan and sanction would make them to do business from china very difficult and so most of them will leave but USA wants more ,so they want to bring /coerce south east Asian countries too and india as well as muslim countries too( that's why you see Xinjiang report by UN, it would be used to pressurize muslim countries to block BRI project and join USA side) . USA wants more allies or partner on it's side.
 

MortyandRick

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War will occur, because USA would push taiwan to declare themselves as an independent nation by around 2024-27 by that time USA would have chip factory at home and china would be forced to do military operation in taiwan and same Ukraine like urban warfare will occur. West and it's Allies will impose sanction, companies will pull out their business from china because of public opinion in west and their allies country supporting taiwan and sanction would make them to do business from china very difficult and so most of them will leave but USA wants more ,so they want to bring /coerce south east Asian countries too and india as well as muslim countries too( that's why you see Xinjiang report by UN, it would be used to pressurize muslim countries to block BRI project and join USA side) . USA wants more allies or partner on it's side.
That's easier said than done. SE Asian counties all reaffirmed the one china policy. They rely on China for economic survival more than the west. I would count on them sanctioning china so quickly. Did they sanction Russia?

Muslims countries have already been inundated with xinjiang propaganda frok western media. How would the US report do any more when the report specifically did not confirm forced labour, slave labour, or genocide. It made what china is doing similarly to US war on terror and Gitmo bay.

The only thing India can do is attack china on a second front. And if they attack, don't assume they will have an easy time. They will take damage. New Delhi is close to the border than beijing. Will they really risk a war just cause they think china is pre occupied with taiwan? They import more machines from China than anywhere else. If they sanction china, they destroy their own industry competitiveness.

So it's mainly US and Europe. Unless the Russian Ukraine war ends by then with an overwhelming Ukraine victory, I don't think Europe will have the ability to sanction china the same way as Russia. High energy prices may already have destroyed a lot of their industrial advantage.
 

Overlord

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That's easier said than done. SE Asian counties all reaffirmed the one china policy. They rely on China for economic survival more than the west. I would count on them sanctioning china so quickly. Did they sanction Russia?

Muslims countries have already been inundated with xinjiang propaganda frok western media. How would the US report do any more when the report specifically did not confirm forced labour, slave labour, or genocide. It made what china is doing similarly to US war on terror and Gitmo bay.

The only thing India can do is attack china on a second front. And if they attack, don't assume they will have an easy time. They will take damage. New Delhi is close to the border than beijing. Will they really risk a war just cause they think china is pre occupied with taiwan? They import more machines from China than anywhere else. If they sanction china, they destroy their own industry competitiveness.

So it's mainly US and Europe. Unless the Russian Ukraine war ends by then with an overwhelming Ukraine victory, I don't think Europe will have the ability to sanction china the same way as Russia. High energy prices may already have destroyed a lot of their industrial advantage.
Why do you think that joining side of USA means to do war with china lol ?

USA goal is to contain china , sacrificing each Taiwanese can do alot of damage and moral loss to china and then it would be very hard for china to rule over taiwan after it wins war.

Main dish will be huge economic sanction, USA saw flaw in sanction on russia, so they are trying to bring more partner to their side.

South east asia is receiving alot of FDI, so many Chinese factory have been shifted to south east asia, after eceonomic sanction some might also goto india. Even apple is going to release their first iphone 14 made from india.

India can import cheap electronics from Vietnam and other south eastern countries too and infact india and Asean has FTA too.

The main game will start when similar sanction is imposed on china too which is going to happen.

USA would pull many muslim countries on their side to cut oil flow or cut their ties with BRI. Don't you see how Bangladesh dropped alot of BRI project.

Many countries has started to become hesitated to join BRI or start new project under it.

These Xinjiang issue will cause another problem mostly from non state actors ( isis, alqueda), they will surely target BRI from middle East to Africa.
Chinese media has failed to counter Xinjiang Gen*cide narrative . I don't know why china didn't bring reform in it's media, their media person are very lazy and doesn't know how to properly give reply, except scmp which is very liberal rest of the Chinese media are quite medicore.

Public opinion matters in 21st century of internet age.
 

MortyandRick

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I'm gonna keep this short cause I don't want to waste time.
very hard for china to rule over taiwan after it wins war.
Not really. People said that HK would be difficult to rule over but it's fine now. Taiwan is an island. Not a large piece of land.
South east asia is receiving alot of FDI, so many Chinese factory have been shifted to south east asia,
Most FDI are from China and Chinese companies FYI. Some low tech has shifted but most high tech stuff has not. Why do you think China's high tech exports have actually gotten higher.

after eceonomic sanction some might also goto india.
So with covid and US China trade war, why hasn't it gone to India en mass already? India has structurally fundamental challenges that will not be addressed easily. Heck US multinationals are actually pulling out of India!
India can import cheap electronics from Vietnam and other south eastern countries too and infact india and Asean has FTA too.
Are you Indian? Cause you seen to have a lot of faith on India. If India can import cheap electronics from ASEAN, then why does India still buy more from China? Like I mentioned it's easier said than done. Indian buys manufacturing machines, these machines are no made in Vietnam and they are not just "cheap electronics". If that's what you think china only sells to India, then if really brings out your biases.
Many countries has started to become hesitated to join BRI or start new project under it.
And many countries are still going with it, especially in the middle East. Middle East countries are still accepting BRI. So is Africa and Latin America.

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Chinese media has failed to counter Xinjiang Gen*cide narrative .
The UN report did not mention genocide at all. Granted Chinese media could do a better job but most Muslim countries actually support China's view of events.

Public opinion is important, but the world is much bigger than just the wests public opinion. They couldn't event get other countries to sanction Russia and the EU was losing the public opinion in non west countries. Lol so again US wants to contain china is much easier said than done.
 

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Wow that's less than 10 bucks each. Even in Red Alert conscripts cost 50 dollars.
Die hard separatists getting desperate, they sense this is their last chance.

Considering the US response this time around, why wouldn't you be desperate?
$10 for civilian marksman!
I was told basic boot camp training not including soldier pay is roughly $20000 (2003 dollars)

I think this is really some kind of DPP corruption scam.

The Kuma Academy was established in 2021, amid growing desire from Taiwan’s civilian population to be trained in guerrilla warfare, self-defence and first-aid skills. In August it launched a crowdfunding drive, and was approached by Tsao.

Who is Kuma Academy?
Founders
Puma Shen - Professor at NTU
Also listed as Chairperson of "Doublethink lab" - organization to "expose Chinese influence"
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Doublethinklab - Working together with NED
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Ho Cheng-hui - Hardcore separatist, Taiwan Association for Strategic Simulation
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Client includes DC International Advisory (Strange sounding name right?)
Shady looking simple website -
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No visible address or contact info
Google search yields a random Idaho Strip Mall address
Hardly something you'd expect from a lobbyist
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