Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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Abominable

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What is an exercise going to do? The US called China's bluff and the only response is a military exercise AFTER Pelosi leaves.

After hyping up this event for the entire week, nothing happened and now they are censoring this event hardcore in the country. Is this a miscommunication between the propaganda arm and the rest of the government? Who knows.
If reunification happens do you think anyone is going to care if it happened during or after Pelosi visiting? It won't matter one iota five or ten years from now.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Indeed, there are vast amount of people, thousands and thousands engaging daily in subtle propaganda. It's not in-your-face. E.g. BBC has a weekly or monthly feel-good article about India etc and so on. So over the years, you change perception of the place. Similarly, on reddit, anything bad about India gets downvoted to hell. It's another matter that India overall is so incompetent with everything that bad news hit the headlines and anyone who visits India complains of city-wide poop smell (recently a German I knew went to Mumbai and was 'never again' ).

But CCP is so scared of western social media, there just arent enough Chinese out there to speak on the medium where rest of the world is talking.

There are just so many ways to engage and fight for the information you wish to project. China seems to have given up that space, CCP is just so focused on managing information internally.

Look at Putin, he did quite a job in furthering democratic and republican divide, just focusing on issues that are relevant to them. His investment in information warfare gave him an edge even in war against Ukraine where mainland Europe was caught with its pants down and had to apply sanctions that hit them back hard, that cost is partly due to his information warfare investment.

I feel in terms of information warfare, CCP are bit outdated dinosaurs. This brick and mortar approach makes sense to millitary and economy, but soft-power doesnt work that way. And then comes the vocabulary used, it's so commie and North Korean at many times... 'revolutionary'... 'national rejuvenation', these words may be fine in Chinese for local audience, but the global tiktok generation is gonna laugh at your face.

In all of this episode, China made gains on the ground, yet it feels bitter, because the lost the plot on the information front.
I feel North Korean propaganda is more effective, as they carry out direct threats at times by actually sinking ships and actually testing weapons after announcements. China doesn't announce weapon tests most times so it's easy for the message to be missed by the public..

So not only is Chinese PR worse than US, it is worse than North Korea, Qatar and maybe Taliban.
 

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Right now, it is less than 12 hours from the start of the large-scale military exercises conducted by the PLA surrounding Taiwan.

If China wants to put their foot down and showcase the resolve of 1.4 billion Chinese people to the world on the Taiwan issue, now is the time to begin.

The stakes would be high. Any miscalculation on the Taiwanese part would hasten the reunification process into the PRC, peaceful or otherwise.

We shall see what happens next.
 
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56860

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I feel North Korean propaganda is more effective, as they carry out direct threats at times by actually sinking ships and actually testing weapons after announcements. China doesn't announce weapon tests most times so it's easy for the message to be missed by the public..

So not only is Chinese PR worse than US, it is worse than North Korea, Qatar and maybe Taliban.
North Korea is a hermit state with next to no international trade or investment and hence has nothing to lose. Its only concern is the survival of the Kim Dynasty. Hence their porcupine strategy of letting off a nuclear weapon every now and then is an effective strategy for warning off outside powers.
 

Abominable

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"PR" is a western euphemism, it's called propaganda. Usually the side that's losing the war is the one that cares about propaganda.

About Pelosi's plane, it's possible that the PLAAF intended to intercept it but didn't anticipate the approach it would take. As it arrived from the east PLAAF would need to overfly Taiwanese land in order to intercept it. That could have been deemed too risky, especially as apparently ROCAF were scrambled.

I don't think it was wise to telegraph your specific intentions in the way Hu did but here we are.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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North Korea is a hermit state with next to no international trade or investment and hence has nothing to lose. Its only concern is the survival of the Kim Dynasty. Hence their porcupine strategy of letting off a nuclear weapon every now and then is an effective strategy for warning off outside powers.
It's kind of a joke but it is still somewhat effective for its purposes.

I mean realistically Qatar is just making great use of the Indian expat population. Jai Qind so to speak.
 

56860

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It's kind of a joke but it is still somewhat effective for its purposes.

I mean realistically Qatar is just making great use of the Indian expat population. Jai Qind so to speak.
It's extremely effective. I cannot think of another way by which the Kim regime persists.

"Don't fuck with us. We are incredibly unstable. If we go down, we will make sure to take one of your limbs with us."

No sane nation state is going to invade North Korea.
 

reservior dogs

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What is an exercise going to do? The US called China's bluff and the only response is a military exercise AFTER Pelosi leaves.

After hyping up this event for the entire week, nothing happened and now they are censoring this event hardcore in the country. Is this a miscommunication between the propaganda arm and the rest of the government? Who knows.
The exercises are the main goal of the Chinese response. Military exercises are significant and must be responded to between powers. This event allowed the Chinese to carry out some pretty aggressive exercises against Taiwan that would normally be condemned by the rest of the world. Now they see this as a Chinese response to an American aggression and the Chinese are not seen as the aggressors carrying this exercise. As more visits and other Taiwan related actions by the U.S. triggers additional and even more aggressive exercises, the U.S. must respond to it with our own exercises or be seen as weak. Maybe the U.S. could be forgiven for not responding to this particular one, but other exercises will be announced well in advance and if the U.S. does not respond to them, the world would notice. Even if we respond but the scale is small, the U.S. could be seen as weak and lose credibility. Over time, regular exercises like this by the Chinese will change the status quo on the ground and the U.S. will be seen as given up on Taiwan. Countries around the world will act based on this assumption. If this happens, this will be a huge gain by the Chinese. When we look back a few years from now, we will see that perceptions have changed on the ground.
 

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Nancy Pelosi may have attracted all the attention. But flying under the radar, fellow Democrat Bob Menendez may be the more dangerous. The senator from New Jersey is co-sponsoring a bill, known as the Taiwan Policy Act of 2022.
If passed, it will effectively force the United States government to gut the one-China policy. Since Menendez is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, this possibility cannot be entirely discarded in the current political climate.

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