Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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FairAndUnbiased

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But surely those smaller SE Asian natioins realise that China can do more for it than the US and its allies. Take Laos for example, would the US have built q fast track train in LAOs and thus given her people easier access to the surrounding countries for the export of goods? The answer s not a shit show.
Laos is already a socialist country on China's border. To even have to compete for their allegiance is like US having to compete with China for the allegiance of Canada. It should be a given that Laos aligns with China. Yes China can do much more for Laos, but African countries for instance would now be more likely to trust USD and play hardball with China.
 

Schwerter_

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This is something that should scare everyone. Is bigger, closer and bolder than in 1996, is even difficult to even interpret what this even mean. Americans commanders will have be on edge to interpret every single move to avoid doing a costly miscalculation.


Americans and Taiwanese commanders.
Also the NEZ pretty much covers all major Taiwanese ports: Taipei, Keelung, Suao, Hualien, Kaohsiung, Taichung, etc. Personally this looks as much a naval blockade (or demonstration that such a blockade is doable and within consideration) as a military exercise. Taiwan will most likely take this much harder than the exercises in 1996
 

tokenanalyst

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Also the NEZ pretty much covers all major Taiwanese ports: Taipei, Keelung, Suao, Hualien, Kaohsiung, Taichung, etc. Personally this looks as much a naval blockade (or demonstration that such a blockade is doable and within consideration) as a military exercise. Taiwan will most likely take this much harder than the exercises in 1996
That is why I saying, I don't even know what people are celebrating here. This is way more dangerous than 1996.
 

Biscuits

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The exercises officially started last (August 2nd local time) night. PLA have stated a number of exclusion zones that will be in effect from 4th to 7th, but from the looks of it that is only part of the exercise, not all of it.
if the earlier posts were correct, theyre sending APCs with earlier unrevealed APS on them, which would be a weird move for just "training". It's not like 99.9% of China's population would care about such a thing if the exercises were just a PR stunt. There is some deeper reason that causes fully combat ready vehicles to be sent in large number to Fujian.
 

B.I.B.

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It really is confusing and confounding to say the least, but I guess this is Xi's way of winning the hearts and minds of the Taiwanese.

The mainland should just endure and bend a little more for the west because there's more visit coming on the way, another round of sanctions. But hey, we just have to wait and see. For now, the Chinese people would just have to endure and be patient.
Is there really a need to invade? Taiwan is so dependent on two way Trade with China, all China needs to do is enforce a stringent embargo on the island which would lead to her collapse over a few months.
 

latenlazy

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Most likely playing with US airframes, which is what 35s excel at; or they're just sustaining DCA and forward air presence somewhere in the strait.

I will say, western social media is clowning the hell out of the PRC right now. While I'm not one for politics, I have to admit that the forcefulness of warnings is quite a contrast with the relative mundanity of retaliation. I personally anticipated at least some sort of interception, even in a manner similar to F-22s intercepting Tu-95s and simply flying alongside issuing warnings. It was probably the pragmatic move, but I would be remiss not to note that it comes with the cost of losing a degree of respect to international audiences.
There was never any room for respect to be had. With that crowd it was always either going to be China is a clown or China is a monster. What has *always* mattered in this episode, politically speaking, is what message China sends about the future of this cold conflict *after* the visit, not the incidence itself. So long as the intention isn’t to do something with a high risk for war for Beijing the central question shaping any reaction or demonstration is “how do we show that this decision is going to have negative costs for the US *in the future*”. Most of the twitterati and China policy “influencers” long decided to treat China as an irredeemable bad actor and potential nemesis. If you’re Beijing that’s really all you need to know about how they view you. The point after all isn’t to be liked by people who fundamentally oppose your identity. It’s to win the chess match of your political objectives.
 

Schwerter_

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That is why I saying, I don't even know what people are celebrating here. This is way more dangerous than 1996.
Dangerous definitely, but if you take China’s (Chinese military to be exact) perspective, being able to exercise military presence so close to Taiwan does merit some celebration. To be able to put much more pressure on Taiwan and normalize military actions basically within arms reach of the island would be a big step.

At the same time, jesus this can turn ugly so quickly.
 

horse

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This is something that should scare everyone. Is bigger, closer and bolder than in 1996, is even difficult to even interpret what this even mean. Americans commanders will have be on edge to interpret every single move to avoid doing a costly miscalculation.


Americans and Taiwanese commanders.

Not a military guy ... but ... like ... holy shit!

The PRC not doing too much against Pelosi, does not surprise me.

The PRC doing this type of exercise, is a complete shock.

1. How did they mobilize that quickly for such a large exercise? This Pelosi thing was only for like 10 days.

2. If this was real, does Taiwan have a chance? They might as well just exercise right on Taiwan.

They're exercising right on Taiwan's door step, near the capital and the major ports, and on the east side.

Depending on how well these exercises go, this could be the game changer.

Taiwan may be indefensible against a mainland invasion.

Who allows an exercise like this, right on their doorstep?

And the Americans can only talk about is Pelosi?
 

siegecrossbow

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Dangerous definitely, but if you take China’s (Chinese military to be exact) perspective, being able to exercise military presence so close to Taiwan does merit some celebration. To be able to put much more pressure on Taiwan and normalize military actions basically within arms reach of the island would be a big step.

Let’s wait for the next few days before reaching any conclusions.
 

Lime

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I don't think it's more dangerous than 1996.
As long as if China not determined to have a conflit with US. There is nothing dangerous compare to 1996.
 
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