By exterior appearance, 054 definitely lacks many stealth features. Either the PLAN is too conservative for a radical stealth design, or they just don't know how to clean those messy ship structures up.
FFG 054/054A Thread
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By exterior appearance, 054 definitely lacks many stealth features. Either the PLAN is too conservative for a radical stealth design, or they just don't know how to clean those messy ship structures up.
It's not the most stealthy design out there, but can you clarify on which exactly structure that you think should be improved?
The 054 is not as clean as the Euro-frigates (Horizon, Lafayette, Daring, Saschen, F100, De Provincien, Absalon, Nansen, FREMM, etc,.) I think the PLAN hasn't learned how to do clean integrated masts yet. I think that will be the next stage in PLAN ship design and that won't take long.
Some nice clean ships.
Absalon
Sigma class
Some nice clean ships.
Absalon
Sigma class
Interesting new model from the recent Chinese international marine show. It is simply titled as a new multi-purpose frigate.
It could be 054B or maybe just a more stealthy export version of 054. I guess one of the big things you notice is that Type 730 CIWS is no longer there and they have AK-630 as the CIWS now. I can't be sure if the anti-ship missile launchers are still there or they are using a VLS now.
It could be 054B or maybe just a more stealthy export version of 054. I guess one of the big things you notice is that Type 730 CIWS is no longer there and they have AK-630 as the CIWS now. I can't be sure if the anti-ship missile launchers are still there or they are using a VLS now.
The radar on the top of the mast looks familiar, like its one of those arrays seen on top of a radar institute. I get the impression that the AshM launchers this time are VLS. The Orekhs are gone however, which may suggest that the next iteration of the HH-16 may simply go active seeking. I think the AK-630 may have an advantage in RCS reduction over Type 730, assuming the latest stealthier turrets are used, like those seen in more recent PLAN ships.
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Ooooh, very nice find.
That little white blob may or may not be an AK-630. Its possible the HH-16 performance is considered good enough not to need a gun-based CIWS at all. But then I would expect more than a 32 VLS.
It definitely looks like a modified Type 054A. Maybe 054B. I get the feeling the AshM launchers will be the same as before, not VLS.
The new radar reminds me of the euro horizon frigates. And it seems they have packed all the remaining clutter of sensors into a third mast above the hangar.
That little white blob may or may not be an AK-630. Its possible the HH-16 performance is considered good enough not to need a gun-based CIWS at all. But then I would expect more than a 32 VLS.
It definitely looks like a modified Type 054A. Maybe 054B. I get the feeling the AshM launchers will be the same as before, not VLS.
The new radar reminds me of the euro horizon frigates. And it seems they have packed all the remaining clutter of sensors into a third mast above the hangar.
well, the setup is like the Euro AAW frigates except that they have the MFR in the front mast and S1850M in the aft mast. This is a concept, maybe for 054B, may for export, we won't know until it come out. This we know, when they showed a 054A picture in 2003, it pretty much came out looking the same.
although this revealation lacks details (not as much as the 054A model), it still has several things to observe:
new radar similar to what we have seen before,
new main gun,
VLS re-arranged just as it was rumored, which indicates this design is wider, maybe to house 2 helis
new radar similar to what we have seen before,
new main gun,
VLS re-arranged just as it was rumored, which indicates this design is wider, maybe to house 2 helis
Well dont get exited about the radar yet, That model is drawn in such general inaccurace that it can easily trying to resamble the same planar set than in 054A. In overal the drawing could be some artist redentition of 054A, as show model of current chinese naval ships in general, and not to mark as anything more spesific than lets say, background image for some naval missile's expo showcase.
I must confess that I cannot do anything more than amusingly wonder your guys ability to drawn so long way conclusions out of obscurities like that.
I must confess that I cannot do anything more than amusingly wonder your guys ability to drawn so long way conclusions out of obscurities like that.
Well dont get exited about the radar yet, That model is drawn in such general inaccurace that it can easily trying to resamble the same planar set than in 054A. In overal the drawing could be some artist redentition of 054A, as show model of current chinese naval ships in general, and not to mark as anything more spesific than lets say, background image for some naval missile's expo showcase.
I must confess that I cannot do anything more than amusingly wonder your guys ability to drawn so long way conclusions out of obscurities like that.
This CG comes from the same event (MarineTech China exhibition) where the 054A's model appeared years ago. And as usual, you dismissed the 054A model too, even when the actual ship had appeared.
Believe me, some people know whether a CG or a model is from the shipyard or from a military fan. The guy (HSH) who presented us this 054 CG poster picture is the one who has been providing us with most of the 052B/C,054/054A, 022 and 071 pictures from 2002. His info on ships in ShangHai is far more reliable than any western media. He was invited to the openning ceromony, not me or you.
Having said that, I agree that this CG is somehow quite shody. If it's a model, I would put more attension onto it.
Nevertheless, new batches of follow on 054 will show up in the next few years. We'll see.:coffee:
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