FFG 054/054A Thread

[pingouin]

don't know what anyone would make of this in the attached photos, apparently, the missile shown can be used as part of a common VLS for a new generation of 054A.

That looks an awfull lot like the Russian "RPK-7" Vodobei subroc (NATO SS-N-16). It is a missile launched from submarine torpedotubes that carries a torpedo or, alternatively, a nuclear depth charge. RPK-6 is 533mm variant, this is 650mm. Also can be launched from surface ships with large diameter torpedo tubes (e.g. Neustrashimy)

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[tphuang]

Has some brainiac posted this in some chinese forum, claiming it allready been fitted with the 054A???

Couse, after ten secconds of basic research, anyone who isent yet familar with BASIC soviet naval weaponry could have indentify it as RPK-6 Vodopod (aka SS-N-16 Stallion)

it's posted by the guy who provides most of the 054A pictures from Shanghai. I'm actually not sure what he is referring to exactly, I believe he is saying the future 054A's common VLS is using that or using something similar.

 

[pshamim]

Let me add a piece of news related to Jiang Kai. While on a trip to Pakistan, I came to know about serious interest by Pakistan to acquire Jiangkai. A Chinese delegation was in Islamabad and this acquisition was under discussion. I do not know the numbers nor if the acquisition will be at the expense of any other class which has been in news.

 

[tphuang]

Let me add a piece of news related to Jiang Kai. While on a trip to Pakistan, I came to know about serious interest by Pakistan to acquire Jiangkai. A Chinese delegation was in Islamabad and this acquisition was under discussion. I do not know the numbers nor if the acquisition will be at the expense of any other class which has been in news.

not too surprising, since that's what I was expecting all along. Of course, that wouldn't happen until after F-22P contract. By then, 054A should be quite a mature platform.


I think this article was posted a while back, but this is just another summary of it (it's on Sea Eagle I think)

拍吧， 转一个：中国的雷达技术已经可向少数发达国家看齐
中国近日成功试验自行研制的一款舰载雷达，这种雷达已达到世界先进行列，缩短了中国与少数发达国家原有的十多年差距。

据《中国青年报》报道，这次试验于某日在渤海海域进行，为实弹演练。

报道没有透露由何种舰艇进行试验。

报道表示，在演练中，舰载雷达成功锁定拖靶飞机，第一枚导弹把拖靶飞机拦腰斩断，第二枚导弹将坠落的拖靶飞机打了个凌空开花。

报道引述负责监造这款雷达的海军某军代表说，这次试验"标志我军雷达的研制水平跨入了世界先进行列"。

据报道，这款新型雷达历经八年论证才通过设计评审，在研发过程中先后解决了静电及海上杂波等难题。

据称，海上杂波是一道世界性的难题，曾经延缓了许多国家研制雷达的进程。它是由于海域上空特定气象水文条件下产生的电磁异常传播现象，在雷达显示屏上显示出杂乱无序的回波信号，而且这种信号尤为强烈，能掩盖雷达需要探测的目标回波。

报道表示，中国的信息技术起步一直比少数发达国家晚了十几年。

按照报道的说法，随着这款新型雷达的试验成功，中国的雷达技术已经可向少数发达国家看齐。

just basically that the radar took 8 years before passing the design review, suffered many problems with sea clutter in the middle. Says that this radar advanced China to amongst the world leaders in naval radar.

 

[Gollevainen]

it's posted by the guy who provides most of the 054A pictures from Shanghai. I'm actually not sure what he is referring to exactly, I believe he is saying the future 054A's common VLS is using that or using something similar.

He was propably speculating that in future 054As would have some sort of universal VLS which is able to fire different kind of missiles, ASW missiles included. He then propably gave an example of ASW missiles in the form of Vodopod. But that picture doesen't have anything to do with China so thus I wanted to make it very clear so than no fanboy gets any wrong assumptions.

China doesen't posses Vodopod nor its likely that they would ever purchase it as it is somewhat old design by now. Also there were no VLS version of it existing.

That looks an awfull lot like the Russian "RPK-7" Vodobei subroc (NATO SS-N-16). It is a missile launched from submarine torpedotubes that carries a torpedo or, alternatively, a nuclear depth charge. RPK-6 is 533mm variant, this is 650mm. Also can be launched from surface ships with large diameter torpedo tubes (e.g. Neustrashimy)

Neustrashimyy (pr. 1154) doesen't have 650mm torbedotubes nor french-type catabults, but quite standart fixed 533mm tubes which are not able to fire AFAIK the Vodopod.

 

[pingouin]

He was propably speculating that in future 054As would have some sort of universal VLS which is able to fire different kind of missiles, ASW missiles included. He then propably gave an example of ASW missiles in the form of Vodopod. But that picture doesen't have anything to do with China so thus I wanted to make it very clear so than no fanboy gets any wrong assumptions.

China doesen't posses Vodopod nor its likely that they would ever purchase it as it is somewhat old design by now. Also there were no VLS version of it existing.



Neustrashimyy (pr. 1154) doesen't have 650mm torbedotubes nor french-type catabults, but quite standart fixed 533mm tubes which are not able to fire AFAIK the Vodopod.

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ANTI-SUBMARINE SYSTEMS

The ship is equipped with a missile and torpedo launch system capable of launching six Vodopad-NK antisubmarine missiles or torpedoes. Vodopad-NK (NATO designation SS-N-16 Stallion) has a maximum range of 120km.

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Armament: 6 Vodopad NK ASW

 

[crobato]

I wrote an entry on my blog on the performance of HH-16

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will follow with more later. Wanted to write something better, but I'm kind of short on time and patience these days.

I picked up a figure from the internet forums on the HH-16 range. Its up to you to believe it or not. 30nm, which translates to 56km.

 

[tphuang]

I picked up a figure from the internet forums on the HH-16 range. Its up to you to believe it or not. 30nm, which translates to 56km.

That's what I would guess too. I was thinking around 50 km. But like HH-9, we might not get the real figure out for a while.

 

[crobato]

China doesen't posses Vodopod nor its likely that they would ever purchase it as it is somewhat old design by now. Also there were no VLS version of it existing.

I don't know if it actually has any connection with the Vodapod, it does not look like an exact copy. There aren't many ways a torpedo with a rocket stage would look like. Old technology or not, its still a useful technology, i mean what can go wrong with a rocket boosted torpedo.

In the US, ASROC by concept got obsoleted by the use of heavy weight torpedoes like Mk. 48 ADCAP, but such torpedoes may not be suitable for ship use for the lack of space. The Chinese equivalent would be the Yu-6. I do not find it hard to consider getting a Yu-7 light torpedo then slap a booster around it lipstick fashion.

 

[Gollevainen]

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Well everyone can use their own eyes, in place of this errorneus data that is flowed into internet

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