FFG 054/054A Thread
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Re: Type 054 FFG status
Helicopters is always a pressing issue for the PLAN.
I'd think that each PLAN ship with a hangar should have its own helicopter and aviation crew...which would be attached to that ship for long term (if not permanent) deployment. Therefore, ship and helo would get to work more often together, and thus familiarity between ship and its own helo would make ASW ops more efficient. At the moment, if PLAN ships have to share round helos etc, it makes efficient operations quite difficult.
You know its not just bout technology and aircraft, to me, it is quite important for the ship's captain and helo pilots on that ship to have an understanding of each other...so in tactical situations, that pilot would know what he is expected of, and that captain can know that pilot will do the job and follow his commands.
This is important for destroyers and frigates anyway...of which the PLAN possesses 14 destroyers and 17 frigates that all possess a hangar...
Auxilaries aren't so important...the Z-8 does a good job in that area.
Helicopters is always a pressing issue for the PLAN.
I'd think that each PLAN ship with a hangar should have its own helicopter and aviation crew...which would be attached to that ship for long term (if not permanent) deployment. Therefore, ship and helo would get to work more often together, and thus familiarity between ship and its own helo would make ASW ops more efficient. At the moment, if PLAN ships have to share round helos etc, it makes efficient operations quite difficult.
You know its not just bout technology and aircraft, to me, it is quite important for the ship's captain and helo pilots on that ship to have an understanding of each other...so in tactical situations, that pilot would know what he is expected of, and that captain can know that pilot will do the job and follow his commands.
This is important for destroyers and frigates anyway...of which the PLAN possesses 14 destroyers and 17 frigates that all possess a hangar...
Auxilaries aren't so important...the Z-8 does a good job in that area.
Re: Type 054 FFG status
Those are just my personal speculation and some other people's speculation. Much of those speculation is based on the 054A model (those 3 images above). Of course, if we go by the model, then that signals two tombstone like radar rather than than the 4 AESA panels we see on 052C. That's why I'm asking for some other opinions on this.MIGleader said:
Re: Type 054 FFG status
Excellent post chicket. This is almost 100% what the PLAN needs to do to be profiencent in Helo ops. You can't just keep swapping the helos from ship to ship. Unless thay are fully trained like some navies in the world...
I would disagree with you about the auxilaries having helos. While the ASW mission is of vital importantance to the PLAN so should the SAR mission. Also if the PLAN is going to expand into the "blue" water of the Pacific it will eventually have to perfect VERTREP missions.(Vertical Replenishment)
VERTREP is important when re-arming and re-supplying..Here is a pic taken in the 80's of a USN CH-46 lifting an jet-engine container to the USS Midway CV-41.
chicket9 said:
Excellent post chicket. This is almost 100% what the PLAN needs to do to be profiencent in Helo ops. You can't just keep swapping the helos from ship to ship. Unless thay are fully trained like some navies in the world...
I would disagree with you about the auxilaries having helos. While the ASW mission is of vital importantance to the PLAN so should the SAR mission. Also if the PLAN is going to expand into the "blue" water of the Pacific it will eventually have to perfect VERTREP missions.(Vertical Replenishment)
VERTREP is important when re-arming and re-supplying..Here is a pic taken in the 80's of a USN CH-46 lifting an jet-engine container to the USS Midway CV-41.
guitarjeff
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Re: Type 054 FFG status
All this talk about the 054 having ASW as its primary mission gets me curious about its sonar. I don't see a hull-mounted sonar on the picture taken from the Huangpu yard, and I don't recall reading the 054 frigate (or the 052B/C ships, for that matter) having a towed sonar based on the information available. Could someone please comment?
All this talk about the 054 having ASW as its primary mission gets me curious about its sonar. I don't see a hull-mounted sonar on the picture taken from the Huangpu yard, and I don't recall reading the 054 frigate (or the 052B/C ships, for that matter) having a towed sonar based on the information available. Could someone please comment?
eecsmaster
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Orekhe directors on the model? Can you say Shtle?
as for the sonar suit, probably towed. I remember seeing a picture of a yellow towed unit back in the days.
Orekhe directors on the model? Can you say Shtle?
as for the sonar suit, probably towed. I remember seeing a picture of a yellow towed unit back in the days.
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