FFG 054/054A Thread

[bd popeye]

This is kind of an interesting picture on Chinese forum. It shows that 054A should have around 6.1m submerged. This is compared to 054's 5.9m submerged (according to the guy who posted). So, there should be at least some increase in displacement.

You guys crack me up. Always measuring this that and the other thing. That does not mean a thing.

All sorts of factors could cause the ship waterline to be diffrent.

1) Greater displacement because of stores, weapons, personnel and more or less equipment aboard.

2) Someone painted the waterline wrong. I've seen this happen.

3) sea state conditions in port could give a false impression of the water line.

4) Somesort of minor modification.

Personally I think it is not that important. What is important is for the PLAN to take these ships an crews to sea and to see and learn how they operate.

 

[planeman]

Lol, I'm no sailor but Popeye is on the money.

 

[bd popeye]

Lol, I'm no sailor but Popeye is on the money.

Thank you Planeman.

Another factor could be ballast. Simply put, they could be switching water tanks... Or the way the ship is moored to the pier or what ever it is moored to. Sometimes not enough "slack" is put in the mooring lines causing the ship list to what ever side is tied to the pier during the changing of the tide.. There by making it appear the ship is higher in the water than it really is.

Take that picture for what you will. But to me it does not mean a thing....

Just be happy that the PLAN is turning out what appears to be fine FFGs. I hope for the PLAN sake the quality of the construction is high and the PRC government gives the PLAN enough money to operate these ships and properly train the crews.

 

[Pointblank]

Hey, I just finished a series of edits to the Wikipedia page on the Type 54 frigate, and have placed a notice on the article's talk page requesting a photo of the frigate. Can any of you guys get a free, open-license picture and upload it to Wikipedia then edit the article to include the picture? Thanks.

 

[tphuang]

well, I think the guy was just saying that the right painted area goes up to 6.1 m for A and 5.9 for baseline, so under some predetermined condition, that's where the waterline goes to.

As for photos, why can't you just upload them yourself? There are many such photos on this thread.

anyway, I'm justing editting this, these are the latest picture, maybe you want to try them?
first 054A in HD

second 054A in HD

 

[Pointblank]

well, I think the guy was just saying that the right painted area goes up to 6.1 m for A and 5.9 for baseline, so under some predetermined condition, that's where the waterline goes to.

As for photos, why can't you just upload them yourself? There are many such photos on this thread.

anyway, I'm justing editting this, these are the latest picture, maybe you want to try them?
first 054A in HD
[qimg]http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3962/054ahdfeb25ua5.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8148/054ahdfeb252fs1.jpg[/qimg]
second 054A in HD
[qimg]http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7937/054ahd2feb25ab5.jpg[/qimg]

Are you the author of these pics? Remember, Wikipedia requires that all pictures uploaded has to be either open source, or have a license.

 

[tphuang]

These are the pictures of 891 experiment ship from HD in the recent days. Take a look at the sensors shown in the picture. You basically have a huge new type of what looks to be a MFR combined with Orekh styled FCR. Looks like either the new ship (052D) will be equipped with HH-16 and use this big new FCR or this is going on subsequent versions of 054 series. I'd think latter is more likely to happen. It might replace SR-64 or sea eagle.

 

[Diving Falcon]

Sorry for my stupidity, but I heard that the Type-054A may be equipped with HQ-16/SA-N-12 SAM on its VLS system - is this true? What are the chances of such a Type-054A with VLS-launched SAM - downgraded of course - being offered for export?

 

[Blitz]

These are the pictures of 891 experiment ship from HD in the recent days. Take a look at the sensors shown in the picture. You basically have a huge new type of what looks to be a MFR combined with Orekh styled FCR. Looks like either the new ship (052D) will be equipped with HH-16 and use this big new FCR or this is going on subsequent versions of 054 series. I'd think latter is more likely to happen. It might replace SR-64 or sea eagle.
[qimg]http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/305/891newsensormar62rl0.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/734/891newsensormar6vl5.jpg[/qimg]

Hi, tphuang, do you mean that big white ball will replace sea eagle?it looks too small.
I wonder why MR-90 onboard without VLS?

Do you guys think this square VLS will be able to used for HH-9?

 

[tphuang]

It looks too small? I actually think it looks a little larger than Sampson.

Even if it's smaller, it's not really a problem. I don't think something in 054 series need a radar as powerful as Sampson. But I think it will probably replace SR-64 (which is quite large that I looked at the 054A pictures). SR-64 is quite effective against low altitude targets like sea-skimming AShM and sea target search.

This is a wild guess by me at what they could do:
- This new radar could retain SR-64's low altitude tracking capability + surface search capability. So, it will have to be located at the top of the aftmask like SR-64.
- On top of that, it should play the same as a Sampson or EMPAR. I'm hoping it's dual-faced AESA radar rather than a single faced PESA radar like EMPAR, but the cost for Sampson is obviously a lot higher.
A list of Sampson's functions
* Long and medium-range search
* Surface picture search
* High-speed horizon search
* High-angle search and track
* Multiple target tracking and multiple channel fire control.
So, 3 and 4 are basically old SR-64 tasks. It would have to have be rotating fast enough to provide mid course update to HH-16.
- Sea Eagle search radar's purpose would be for volume search and high altitude search, early warning - same role as Smart-L
- FCRs - be like MK-99 on DDG-51, basically providing terminal guidance and illumination of targets for HH-16. Now, this would allow it to direct a maximum of 8 missiles at terminal phase against 4 separate targets concurrently. While, other missiles could theoretically be in the air, not at the terminal phase and given update commands by the new MFR.

So, basically, this allows for higher tracking, better target sharing amongst ships using the same system, higher resolution, better detection of targets flying at different profile and higher capability against concentrated attack.

I wonder why MR-90 onboard without VLS?

891 already has HH-9 and HH-16 VLS if you looked at previous pictures.

Do you guys think this square VLS will be able to used for HH-9?

sure, remember HH-9 is actively guided, so it would only need mid-course guidance.

Sorry for my stupidity, but I heard that the Type-054A may be equipped with HQ-16/SA-N-12 SAM on its VLS system - is this true? What are the chances of such a Type-054A with VLS-launched SAM - downgraded of course - being offered for export?

true
maybe later.