FFG 054/054A Thread

[Blitz]

I doubt that white ball is a new equipment,since it was at that place onboard 891 for years.

even if that's true it's something new and will replace SR64 that on the top of aftermask,I can't believe it can replace the sea eagle/top plate,though I really hope it's more powerful than SR64 + Sea eagle.

But I dont understand why put MR90s onto 891,since it was very matural and was widely used on 054A,052B etc.it's weird.

 

[eecsmaster]

system integration. You won't know how the system really performs until you do field tests.

Also, what's SR64?

 

[Gollevainen]

SR64 is different name to type 364 air/surf search radar

 

[tphuang]

I doubt that white ball is a new equipment,since it was at that place onboard 891 for years.

even if that's true it's something new and will replace SR64 that on the top of aftermask,I can't believe it can replace the sea eagle/top plate,though I really hope it's more powerful than SR64 + Sea eagle.

But I dont understand why put MR90s onto 891,since it was very matural and was widely used on 054A,052B etc.it's weird.

Are you sure about that part? I know it was on there in December's picture. I looked at the 970 pictures, and it wasn't on there. But then again, I've been hoping for PLAN to develop something like Sampson, so I get over-excited when I see that it might be working with the "orekh like radar".

Now, if Orekh are put there independent of that big bulb radar, then that probably means it's an upgraded and indigenous version of it? China has pretty much cloned and improved every other Russian subsystem that they liked.

 

[Blitz]

Sorry I'm not sure,but I found pics with it posted earlier 2006.and I heard that the MR90 in 054A was indigenous, not sure for this either,but that onboard 054A do looks a bit different from that on Russia ships.

If for system integration test,how can this system be accepted and equipped befor test?and why not test together with the "top plate"

 

[tphuang]

Sorry I'm not sure,but I found pics with it posted earlier 2006.and I heard that the MR90 in 054A was indigenous, not sure for this either,but that onboard 054A do looks a bit different from that on Russia ships.

If for system integration test,how can this system be accepted and equipped befor test?and why not test together with the "top plate"

no reason that MR-90 on 054A can't be upgraded further.

As for that radar on 891, it could very well be developed as the basis for a new generation of AESA MFR. As mentionned, SR-64 has shown some good performance (that's why it's on so many PLAN ships), but it's not a powerful MFR capable of tracking many targets at long range like Sampson or APAR. If it was on 891 before MR-90s were installed, it could mean they were just testing out its capability of long distance search, medium range tracking, low altitude search and such. Now, with MR-90, it can test out intercepting targets and such. Or, it could mean that they were testing it with HH-9 or something. A lot of possibilities, we won't know until it appears on a PLAN ship. As for why not test together with top plate, the question is why do they need to? Top plate is just a volume search radar. They can just use the type 360 on 891 right now to do the same function (although probably much less capable). But realistically speaking, a MFR + MR-90 should be able to handle the searching, tracking, guidance + interception of targets all by themselves. Additional VSR just provides the ability to search and track more targets, that's all.

 

[Blitz]

no reason that MR-90 on 054A can't be upgraded further.

As for that radar on 891, it could very well be developed as the basis for a new generation of AESA MFR. As mentionned, SR-64 has shown some good performance (that's why it's on so many PLAN ships), but it's not a powerful MFR capable of tracking many targets at long range like Sampson or APAR. If it was on 891 before MR-90s were installed, it could mean they were just testing out its capability of long distance search, medium range tracking, low altitude search and such. Now, with MR-90, it can test out intercepting targets and such. Or, it could mean that they were testing it with HH-9 or something. A lot of possibilities, we won't know until it appears on a PLAN ship. As for why not test together with top plate, the question is why do they need to? Top plate is just a volume search radar. They can just use the type 360 on 891 right now to do the same function (although probably much less capable). But realistically speaking, a MFR + MR-90 should be able to handle the searching, tracking, guidance + interception of targets all by themselves. Additional VSR just provides the ability to search and track more targets, that's all.

That sounds a reasonable speculation,if that's true,does it mean the top plate and the SR64 will disappear,and this new one will be put on the top of the frontmask?such a big leap.

 

[tphuang]

That sounds a reasonable speculation,if that's true,does it mean the top plate and the SR64 will disappear,and this new one will be put on the top of the frontmask?such a big leap.

I don't think the issue is whether they can do it or not, because this new radar isn't that much larger than SR-64, but whether they think the cost justifies having both this new radar and top plate.

 

[kickars]

I just found out that China will install the newer version of HQ-7 (FM-90) for PN's F-22P. My question is that why didn't China install the latest versin of HQ-7 on their early 054s? Coz FM-90 was introduced in 1998 when China was still building 053s. In fact how do we know HQ-7s on the two early 054s aren't FM-90? Are there any ways to tell the difference between the two versions of HQ-7? (The reason I ask is because the information I can find on 054s and later version of 053H3s all suggest they just use the old FM-80.)

 

[crobato]

I just found out that China will install the newer version of HQ-7 (FM-90) for PN's F-22P. My question is that why didn't China install the latest versin of HQ-7 on their early 054s? Coz FM-90 was introduced in 1998 when China was still building 053s. In fact how do we know HQ-7s on the two early 054s aren't FM-90? Are there any ways to tell the difference between the two versions of HQ-7? (The reason I ask is because the information I can find on 054s and later version of 053H3s all suggest they just use the old FM-80.)

I think that's exactly what they're trying to do with upgrading the 054s, which have their FCR and missile launchers removed.