FFG 054/054A Thread

[su-27]

I think strange that China isn't working on new ASW weapons. The CY-1 proves that are studies about. In Wikipedia there are talks about an improved weapon based on CY-1 and called CY-3.

 

[Scratch]

Probably even China is now on a stage where it has to set priorities. There are not that many nations that have sub-capabilites wich would endanger the PLAN. And those nations that do are probably to strong anyway for a conflict. On the other hand, there are several nations with surface and airborne capabilites, so better focus on that first. When you've done so, you can counter those navys and catch up with the leading ones on the surface and then go with your subs.

 

[guitarjeff]

Is the Russian SS-N-15 Starfish ASW missile up for sale? If so it could be used as a stop gap measure until an indigenous system is available. A ship with a dual hanger housing 2 Mi-29s dedicated to ASW duty would also help. All this makes me wonder whether the PLAN should develop a large ASW/general purpose ship using the 052B hull, the aforementioned systems, C-803 antiship missiles, and a point defense VLS SAM system similar to that found on the 054A.

 

[tphuang]

Chinese ASW strategy seams to be green-water oriented... While I agree that sub against sub is probably best strategy PLAN lacks capability to successfully deploy subs beyond coastal reach.SSKs are joust not suited for blue water operations and SSNs PLAN has aren't numerous nor sophisticated enough to take that task...

yeah, I'd imagine in a PLAN carrier battle group, 2 093s would probably do the majority of ASW work. I'm not saying that the sonar on the existing ships and ASW helicopters are useless, but China is heavily reliant on its SSNs against much quieter SSKs. That's why I'm a lot more worried that China's torpedo arsenal is weak compared to most Western navies rather than worrying about not having something like ASROC.

 

[adeptitus]

Is the Russian SS-N-15 Starfish ASW missile up for sale? If so it could be used as a stop gap measure until an indigenous system is available. A ship with a dual hanger housing 2 Mi-29s dedicated to ASW duty would also help. All this makes me wonder whether the PLAN should develop a large ASW/general purpose ship using the 052B hull, the aforementioned systems, C-803 antiship missiles, and a point defense VLS SAM system similar to that found on the 054A.

Unfortunately no. Currently Russian's export catalog only lists RPK-9 (SS-N-29) light ASW missile, and Klub-N 91RE1/RE2 medium ASW missiles.

I'd like to see an ASW version of the 054. I think we discussed that one pretty extensively in prior threads, lol.

 

[tphuang]

These are the pictures from Huangpu shipyard.

the one still in construction

 

[crobato]

The so called Orekh domes there now seem too round to be Orekhs to me. They could be tracking radars with high frequency direct line of sight datalinks.

 

[planeman]

The top picture in Tphuang's last post confirms that it has a varient of the Russian AK-176 76mm main gun in place of the more typical French origin 100mm gun.

 

[Gollevainen]

In this angle perhaps...but in other angels those things looks exactly like the Orekhs...

...We need to wait untill the canvans are take away, then we can make more proper assumptions...

 

[Gollevainen]

well not so long afterwards...

Is it just me but doesent they look suspiciosly white and plastic??

There is just something wrong in the pictures, but I hate to be wrong...but seriosly, nothing is that white.......Looks like someone has took a pic from some model kit, put little plastic bags atop the orekhs and placed it with the bow and main gun of th 071....