FFG 054/054A Thread
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Great. If this is true, we will see pictures of her in the pretty near future. I am anxious to see her lines and compare them to the first two 054s.
They also rumoured that the second 054A under construction in HP is moving into the area where the first 054A was.
Actually, an interesting discussion they were having a Chinese forum was whether 054A can reach the level of the Takanami class destroyer.
They are probably around the same displacement and both have VLS installed. Anyhow, we will find out more with newer pictures coming out.
I doupt it. Remeber that the japanese vessel is a Destroyer, and the chinese vessel is a frigate. Simply the larger volume of the japanese ship gives it overall operational edge. The weaponry is pretty much a mach, The chinese ships SA-N-12 gives it edge in air-defence over Sea Sparrow, but the Japanese vessel have far more sophisticated sonar system and ASROC capability which makes it superior in the both vessels (estimated) primary role, ASW.
Also the larger destroyer benefits from its GOGAG arragment which have certain superior element compared to the all-diesel propulsion of the 054A.
So in general, this comparison is bit silly, as the ships are in different category. More proper comparison to the Takanami class is 052B but at the end, whats the use of these comparisons, when they are only made in paper based on the rather limited knowlidge over these vessels??
not really, 054A could very well turn out to be larger than Taknami class (which is mentionned as 4600 tonne in displacement). (Taknami is a DD not a DDG after all) I agree that it's sonar system and the ability to fire ASROC makes it the superior ASW platform, but I simply think they are in the same weight class. One interesting thing would be to assess PLAN doctrine vs JMSDF doctrine. Or as mentionned in another threat, what should this CFX turn out to be?
well thougth Japanese claims it DD, it doesent mena that it wouldnt field missiles. In japanese system DDG means AAW ship and other destroyers and frigates gets the DD prefix. It has harpoon, ASROC, and sea sparrow (and as it has the VSL system, it will be easy to fit ESSM if Japanese chooses it to become their new SAM)
But inspite its similar weigth, the japanese ship is still fully fletched ASW unit, part of 50 years or so contiunity and 054A migth just be the first one earning that title in PLAN.
But inspite its similar weigth, the japanese ship is still fully fletched ASW unit, part of 50 years or so contiunity and 054A migth just be the first one earning that title in PLAN.
Not just similar weight, 054A has similar weapon and sensor systems: C80X vs Harpoon, VLS CY-2 vs ASROC, VLS HQ16 vs ESSM, and both have TAS. As your said, Japan has a long history on ASW area, but just comparing the both ships' hardware, they are quite comparable, according to those chinese sources. Of course only if those long time rumors turned out to be true.
VSL launched CY-2??? Please, lets not pull things out of our hats shall we?
And beside, we dont know exactly what sort of SAM its going to field but we do know that Japanese have planned to field ESSM to it. Besides whats matters most is the performances between the Japanese SQS-5 sonar and the one that is going to be fitted to the 054A. Also we dont know either class endurance so again there are only limited data that we could use to actually comapare these two ships in their operational field...unless we want to lower ourselves into the unfamous "YJ-83 beats the crab out of Harpoon" -penis contest that seems to (unfortuanetly) be the only aspect of naval warfare that most PLAN groupies want to go on with...
And beside, we dont know exactly what sort of SAM its going to field but we do know that Japanese have planned to field ESSM to it. Besides whats matters most is the performances between the Japanese SQS-5 sonar and the one that is going to be fitted to the 054A. Also we dont know either class endurance so again there are only limited data that we could use to actually comapare these two ships in their operational field...unless we want to lower ourselves into the unfamous "YJ-83 beats the crab out of Harpoon" -penis contest that seems to (unfortuanetly) be the only aspect of naval warfare that most PLAN groupies want to go on with...
Just an opinion -- I think PLAN's first attempt at a modern ASW platform is the 052 Destroyer. It's roughly in the same size and capability as the French F70 ASW Frigate. They share the same hull-mounted sonar, towed sonar, and the Z-9C is licensed French AS 365N Dauphin II.
The French didn't have ASROC type ASW weapon on thier F67 or F70 frigates. To this day they still don't, since they backed out of the MILAS project with Italy. And since France didn't have ASROC type system, there wasn't one for the PLAN to import.
The lack of a "mature" ASROC type weapon that the PLAN could import, license produce or copy, prolly contributed to the failure (?) of the CY-1. The only other system avail at the time (1980s) for export was prolly the Australian Ikara, but that one contains US-made components, so it'd have been problematic to secure an export license.
At this time, we haven't seen any pictures or promotions for the CY-2. I have some doubts that it'd be ready and equipped on the 054A right now. And even if it is ready, I don't think it'd be a VLS version, or use the same VLS box launcher as the SAMs.
The reason for my opinion on the CY-2 is because, I don't think the PLAN's technology level has advanced to common-use VLS system yet. So the different missile-based systems would use different launch platforms.
At ths time, I think it'd make more sense for the PLAN to develop the CY-2 with a box-launcher, so it can be fitted easily on existing ships. A VLS system would work if the new ship (054A?) was built for it, but for fitting to existing ships, it'd require major structural modifications. The next-generation system (CY-3 or CY-2 VLS?), however, would most likely be VLS system.
The French didn't have ASROC type ASW weapon on thier F67 or F70 frigates. To this day they still don't, since they backed out of the MILAS project with Italy. And since France didn't have ASROC type system, there wasn't one for the PLAN to import.
The lack of a "mature" ASROC type weapon that the PLAN could import, license produce or copy, prolly contributed to the failure (?) of the CY-1. The only other system avail at the time (1980s) for export was prolly the Australian Ikara, but that one contains US-made components, so it'd have been problematic to secure an export license.
At this time, we haven't seen any pictures or promotions for the CY-2. I have some doubts that it'd be ready and equipped on the 054A right now. And even if it is ready, I don't think it'd be a VLS version, or use the same VLS box launcher as the SAMs.
The reason for my opinion on the CY-2 is because, I don't think the PLAN's technology level has advanced to common-use VLS system yet. So the different missile-based systems would use different launch platforms.
At ths time, I think it'd make more sense for the PLAN to develop the CY-2 with a box-launcher, so it can be fitted easily on existing ships. A VLS system would work if the new ship (054A?) was built for it, but for fitting to existing ships, it'd require major structural modifications. The next-generation system (CY-3 or CY-2 VLS?), however, would most likely be VLS system.
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CY-2 got canned a few years ago. Some people say that CY-1 is operational, but who knows.
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