FFG 054/054A Thread

[tphuang]

well thougth Japanese claims it DD, it doesent mena that it wouldnt field missiles. In japanese system DDG means AAW ship and other destroyers and frigates gets the DD prefix. It has harpoon, ASROC, and sea sparrow (and as it has the VSL system, it will be easy to fit ESSM if Japanese chooses it to become their new SAM)
But inspite its similar weigth, the japanese ship is still fully fletched ASW unit, part of 50 years or so contiunity and 054A migth just be the first one earning that title in PLAN.

I'm more interested in what PLAN is trying to do here.

I don't believe 054A is at the level of Taknami in terms of ASW capability, but it is a level that 054A needs to evolve into to give PLAN the kind of ASW capability needed to protect future carrier groups.

Anyhow, as I said, 054A is still getting built, let's see what it turns into. Can't wait for new photos to come out. If HQ-16 really has the range of VLS shtil (or even greater), then it indicates PLAN is also giving 054A the role of area defence.

 

[eecsmaster]

some people say that Shtil's range is not limited so much by it's ballistic profile, but by the performance of the Orekh directors. If this is true, then perhaps the newer Shtil/HHQ-16 SYSTEM has a longer range than the SA-N-7/12.

 

[zyun8288]

VSL launched CY-2??? Please, lets not pull things out of our hats shall we?

And beside, we dont know exactly what sort of SAM its going to field but we do know that Japanese have planned to field ESSM to it. Besides whats matters most is the performances between the Japanese SQS-5 sonar and the one that is going to be fitted to the 054A. Also we dont know either class endurance so again there are only limited data that we could use to actually comapare these two ships in their operational field...unless we want to lower ourselves into the unfamous "YJ-83 beats the crab out of Harpoon" -penis contest that seems to (unfortuanetly) be the only aspect of naval warfare that most PLAN groupies want to go on with...

Ha, you are back in your old denial mode

Remember few years ago, you insist YJ83 does not exist at all because you don't know about it?

Common, you don't know does not mean nobody knows and does not mean something does not exist. I've never been so confidently commenting about Finnish, or any other nation's military issues as you are commenting about China, because I have the consciousness to know my limitation and I respect any one who provides information or even rumors. It's up to everyone's one's own analysis to believe or ignore.

Put it this way, any one can be wrong and I am ready to say I am wrong any time. But nobody is qualified to be the judge here, your role, as a moderator is to make sure the discussions are civilised, not to stepping into discussions with dual faces.

Anyway, enough is said. ByeBye, as few years ago although I've found pictures of YJ83's name plates, but it's obviously meaningless to show them to you, because you don't want to see any thing you don't like.

 

[swimmerXC]

Ha, you are back in your old denial mode

Remember few years ago, you insist YJ83 does not exist at all because you don't know about it?

Common, you don't know does not mean nobody knows and does not mean something does not exist. I've never been so confidently commenting about Finnish, or any other nation's military issues as you are commenting about China, because I have the consciousness to know my limitation and I respect any one who provides information or even rumors. It's up to everyone's one's own analysis to believe or ignore.

Put it this way, any one can be wrong and I am ready to say I am wrong any time. But nobody is qualified to be the judge here, your role, as a moderator is to make sure the discussions are civilised, not to stepping into discussions with dual faces.

Anyway, enough is said. ByeBye, as few years ago although I've found pictures of YJ83's name plates, but it's obviously meaningless to show them to you, because you don't want to see any thing you don't like.

I'm not going to count this as a personal attack to Golly, nevertheless MOST Chinese military fans knows that the CY-2 has been cancelled...

 

[zyun8288]

This is the cancelled one:

 

[adeptitus]

The CY-1 is a pretty old project. I think back in ~1990 the publication "Combat Fleet of the World" (?) claimed that the CY-1 ASW rocket had specs of 5.5 meter length. 41 cm diameter, 700 kg weight, and effective range of 5km-18km. The CY-1 was shown in 1986 November Asia Weapons Expo.

Globalsecurity claims that the CY-1 is the rear-half of a C-801 combined with an A244 torpedo in the front. These publications also claim that it was installed on the Luda ships for testing.

15 years later, there's still very little information on the CY-1, and no indication that it actually entered service. There are various rumors about the CY-2 and CY-3, but no evidence.

 

[Gollevainen]

Ha, you are back in your old denial mode

No, I'm just a common unbeliver...

But I've said many times this and I will say it again. Altough I have great intress towards chinese military, I have no passion towards it. My self-esteem doesen't require chinese military gizmoes beeing better than those in USA or at least India. I want to know the thrut hidden behind these many rumours and thus I don't act like a child waiting what the santa will bring for christmans presents. So pardon me If I tend to have the normal level of sceptism towards all information spread around internet forums. Have I've been wrong with my sceptism? Yeas (tough for example I never have said YJ83 does not exist, If I recall correctly my sayings for that missle that could be interprate in that way came in the time when we still talked about C803s and C805...) but at least I have the courage to admitt being wrong or that my estimations prooven out to be incorrect. Part of the whole picture why I'm doing this is to get you kids proof your case more properly and look in to the heart of the matter more deeply with out those red sunclasses.

But to the topic...the CY-2...Now when the most realible rumours is saying that the 054A is going to be fitted the SA-N-12 in VLS mode (the Orekh directors tells alot) where did this HQ16 in some super VLS that can fire non-existing ASW missile? As Zyun8288 choosed this path, he is now oblicated to provide us the proof of his claims about 054A with HQ16 and CY-2, failing to do so will mean your obligation for public apology to me...

 

[oringo]

I don't know much about the CY-1/2/3/4 rumors, but I try to analyze PLAN's thinking with what I know of. 54A is the first frigate in PLAN to have VLS system, with that comes more advanced radar, weapon control system, data processing capabilities, etc. From a system integration point of view, 54A has a lot of new things on her plate, and it is probably not the best place to field an experimental missle, not to mention this missle will be sharing the new launch system with the HQ16. It's a lot of complications for the risk management, which, speaking of which, has seen adoptation for the building and design of 052C.

I have seen articles on Chinese military magazines arguing the case for China to have a standard modular VLS, and I have no doubt that PLAN wants a standard modular VLS; its advantages are so obvious. But the integration of many different types of missles is not easy, and technological advancements take time. China will get there one day, it's just not today.

 

[tphuang]

first image of 054A after it was launched in HP
any thoughts

 

[Jeff Head]

first image of 054A after it was launched in HP
any thoughts

Looks good...but far too indestinct to make a firm technical observations at this point. Obviously coming right along. Want to get a good look at the fore end of that thing...to see what's going on wth the VLS.