FFG 054/054A Thread

[tphuang]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

I'm a little iffy on every front. It looks in many ways that 054A is using top plate, orekh radars and possibly shtil VLS. However, looks can be very deceiving. We see that 054A as well as other modern PLAN DDGs use something that look like Bandstand, but none of them are used to guide SS-N-22.

 

[planeman]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

The foredeck looks too short for a main gun AND a VLS'. ????

 

[crobato]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

Looks can be decieving. The Chinese have their own copy of the "Top Plate" Fregats called the Sea Eagles, and one cannot judge radar if all you can see is the cover for it like those bulb shapes. However, because there appears to be something that looks like Orekhs, it's likely to think it would be the original Top Plate in one of its various versions mated to Bandstand/Mineral ME. Top Plate and Bandstand does integrate together and because of this, likely to come as a pair [The Bandstand that appears on the 052B is likely to be real Mineral ME while that of the 052C which does not use Top Plate might be a near copy instead]. Again, Shtil VLS has been directly marketed to China and the model of the 054 frigate does make it appear it has both Orekhs and VLS. So it currently stands for now that this is the most likely configuration for the ship in the yard.

 

[eecsmaster]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

Sea Eagle or Sea Soul? I'm not sure about Sea Eagle, but Sea Soul is electronically scanned in both axises. (Top Plate is mechanically steered in the x-plane).

 

[Gollevainen]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

Sure looks like a bow mounted sonar dome on the vessel in that pic to me.

This other pic, maybe older, also shows where that sonar would be.

...propaply should have checked that older pic before saying anything ...

But one thing bothers me in this pic, the hump seems to my eyes being bit ofset of the ships central line...now this can be an optical delusion fueled by my subconsciense to try and safe my face, so take a look and tell me what do you think...

 

[zyun8288]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

Here's a 053,

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Here's the previous 054 from the same factory:

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For this new 054A's bow mounted sonar, let's wait and see.

 

[zyun8288]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

In fact, although I heard China has been working on small size ship borne PAR radar, I never expect 054 will get it. That's why I am not convinced untill I see a closer picture on the actual radar plate.

HQ16, if it does not exist, as I said, that would be a major frustration, because it also means the domestic VLS system is not ready:

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

...propaply should have checked that older pic before saying anything ...

But one thing bothers me in this pic, the hump seems to my eyes being bit ofset of the ships central line...now this can be an optical delusion fueled by my subconsciense to try and safe my face, so take a look and tell me what do you think...

I think it is just the angle we are looking atr it from. Here's a very good pic of the bow mounted sonar from the 054, built by the same shipyards. If the 054 had it, you can bet the 054A does, and it appears that they will.

 

[bd popeye]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

My apoligizes to all! Nice pic Jeff. It looks like the PLAN has some sort of bow sonar afterall. Unless they buillt the dome for a future addition of bow sonar. I know the USN did this a few times on certian ships but never to my knowledge installed the sonar.

Great pic. Thanks Jeff...

 

[Gollevainen]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

I think it is just the angle we are looking atr it from. Here's a very good pic of the bow mounted sonar from the 054, built by the same shipyards. If the 054 had it, you can bet the 054A does, and it appears that they will.

Actually someone posted a pics earlier which marked me being quite an ass...So I was wrong, there seems to be a bow mounted sonar in 054/54A after all. Good for china:china: