FFG 054/054A Thread
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None what so ever, at least I haven't found anything (And as attempting it may be to think in the light of this thread about my abilityes to found something, just drop it:nono:
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But now we at least know that there is a bowmounted sonar being fitted, which makes me a bit more confidence about the PLANs capabilityes. In fact if my earlier assumption would have prooven out to be true, it would have been really alarming...
None what so ever, at least I haven't found anything (And as attempting it may be to think in the light of this thread about my abilityes to found something, just drop it:nono:
)But now we at least know that there is a bowmounted sonar being fitted, which makes me a bit more confidence about the PLANs capabilityes. In fact if my earlier assumption would have prooven out to be true, it would have been really alarming...
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Just my opinion Popeye...but even thought they have it, it looks somewhat small to me for the size of vessel. Perhaps they have some mintuarization going on, and if they do, bully for them...but just based on that pic, I would say that it may not be as powerful as the sonar on a Burke or, for that matter, on a Halsey, but that's just my opnion.
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Ahemmm..I emailed my son. a Sonar tech on active duty with the USN for 8.5 years. He is a master instructor of advanced USN sonar technology. No bull.
This is what he told me in an email I just recieved. I edited out the email addresses. Take his answer for what you will.
That is his opinion. If you ever saw the bow sonar dome on a Arliegh Burke, Tico or Spruance you would understand what he is refering to.
This is an artist rendering of a bow sonar dome on an A/B
Here's a pic of the USS Cole DDG-67. Note the sonar dome on the bow.
Ahemmm..I emailed my son. a Sonar tech on active duty with the USN for 8.5 years. He is a master instructor of advanced USN sonar technology. No bull.
This is what he told me in an email I just recieved. I edited out the email addresses. Take his answer for what you will.
That is his opinion. If you ever saw the bow sonar dome on a Arliegh Burke, Tico or Spruance you would understand what he is refering to.
This is an artist rendering of a bow sonar dome on an A/B
Here's a pic of the USS Cole DDG-67. Note the sonar dome on the bow.
Re: Type 054 FFG status
Dear Guys:
I must agree the bow-mounted sonar on the 054 Frigate seems a little small...
however this may be due to different designs.
I have a feeling that the PLAN sonar tech still emphasizes medium-frequency sonars rather than low-frequency sonars that the US Navy uses. That would account for the smaller size - just in the same way higher frequency radar antennas are smaller than theri low frequency counterparts.
This is probably because the US Navy emphasizes long-range detection in deep seas and oceans while the PLAN focuses on detection in the coastal and littoral areas. It also means that for the time being the PLAN surface fleets have an inshore/brown water outlook.
Just my 2 cents.
Best Regards,
Dusky Lim
Dear Guys:
I must agree the bow-mounted sonar on the 054 Frigate seems a little small...
however this may be due to different designs.
I have a feeling that the PLAN sonar tech still emphasizes medium-frequency sonars rather than low-frequency sonars that the US Navy uses. That would account for the smaller size - just in the same way higher frequency radar antennas are smaller than theri low frequency counterparts.
This is probably because the US Navy emphasizes long-range detection in deep seas and oceans while the PLAN focuses on detection in the coastal and littoral areas. It also means that for the time being the PLAN surface fleets have an inshore/brown water outlook.
Just my 2 cents.
Best Regards,
Dusky Lim
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Now I am wondering how big the ones on the new 52Bs, 52Cs, and 51Cs are.
Ahemmm...hehehe...did I nail that one or not on the size? My guess is that it is real and that the 054s have a capability, but it is not as powerful as what the Burkes, Ticos, Halseys, Spruances (God rest their souls), etc. have. Unless of course they have done some unbelievable things in miniaturization.
Now I am wondering how big the ones on the new 52Bs, 52Cs, and 51Cs are.
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Great comments. Probably very true as regards the PLAN dome on the 054, short of some significant miniaturization that would shock analysts everywhere. I'd be interested in seeing the new PLAN DDGs (52B, 52C, 51C).. BTW, The US Navy does both.
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Well if PLAN is going to go for the bluewater naval presence, it should focus on longrange detection sonars. A workable ASW is cruisal if china ever wish to field a true carrier taskforce, as the deadliest thread for all big ships nowadays comes form under the sea. And aircraft carriers aren't exactly the usefull in coastal waters...
Well if PLAN is going to go for the bluewater naval presence, it should focus on longrange detection sonars. A workable ASW is cruisal if china ever wish to field a true carrier taskforce, as the deadliest thread for all big ships nowadays comes form under the sea. And aircraft carriers aren't exactly the usefull in coastal waters...
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Nice analysis on the bow sonar. In fact, several years ago when 526's frontal picture was leaked out, there were several discussion which came to the same conclusion: it's pretty small, and the guess was it aimed at shallow waters. But unfortunetely, the public materials on china's underwater R&D is even less, impossible to make any convicing conclusion. Also we all hoped to see the underwater section of 052B/C, but it's too late.
Nice analysis on the bow sonar. In fact, several years ago when 526's frontal picture was leaked out, there were several discussion which came to the same conclusion: it's pretty small, and the guess was it aimed at shallow waters. But unfortunetely, the public materials on china's underwater R&D is even less, impossible to make any convicing conclusion. Also we all hoped to see the underwater section of 052B/C, but it's too late.
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