F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
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If Canada drops out, they are getting out prematurley, and too soon IMHO. I believe the costs are coming down, and wil continue to come down, and that the capabilities will be well worth the end price tag.
But they have to make their own decisions. The Silent Eagle, or the Super Hornet, particularly the upgraded capability one that is now being proposed, would also be good options.
Now THAT...is a very cool pic!
If Canada drops out, they are getting out prematurley, and too soon IMHO. I believe the costs are coming down, and wil continue to come down, and that the capabilities will be well worth the end price tag.
But they have to make their own decisions. The Silent Eagle, or the Super Hornet, particularly the upgraded capability one that is now being proposed, would also be good options.
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I suppose politics aside something like a Flanker or a MiG-31 just like the other country with vast expanses of frozen terrain would be ideal!
I suppose politics aside something like a Flanker or a MiG-31 just like the other country with vast expanses of frozen terrain would be ideal!
asif iqbal
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In other UK "blunders" it now appears that RN will order only 48 F35B, and Phillip Hammond the Secretary of State defence announced that each Queen Elizabeth carrier will take only 12 F35B each!! Even although they are designed to take 36 such fighter jets
This figure might be revised to 16 but for the moment 12 is the number with the rest of the numbers made up with Merlin helicopters
In other UK "blunders" it now appears that RN will order only 48 F35B, and Phillip Hammond the Secretary of State defence announced that each Queen Elizabeth carrier will take only 12 F35B each!! Even although they are designed to take 36 such fighter jets
This figure might be revised to 16 but for the moment 12 is the number with the rest of the numbers made up with Merlin helicopters
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My understanding was that a normal, low entensity, non-war load would be 12,-16, but that if there were anything requiring definite miltary action (like Iraqi Freedom or something) that they would then deploy with 24 or more.
I guess we will see what happens. But building these large carriers and then putting only 12 aircraft on them iwould be a monumental waist and I have to believe they will actually deploy more whenever needed.
I thought they were announcing 48 now and then would revise that number after the 2015 review?
My understanding was that a normal, low entensity, non-war load would be 12,-16, but that if there were anything requiring definite miltary action (like Iraqi Freedom or something) that they would then deploy with 24 or more.
I guess we will see what happens. But building these large carriers and then putting only 12 aircraft on them iwould be a monumental waist and I have to believe they will actually deploy more whenever needed.
navyreco
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Isn't the head of class going to be commissioned a couple days before the first RAF/FAA F35 is delivered ?
It would remind me of the early days of CdeG when only a handful or Rafale M F1 (early, AAW only standard) were available).
Isn't the head of class going to be commissioned a couple days before the first RAF/FAA F35 is delivered ?
asif iqbal
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Well you would think common sense would prevail and they do add more but unfortunately I would not be so hopeful
When you have high ranking defence officials calling for Prince Of Wales to be sold off to a 'friendly' country, or kept in reserve or as a training ship you see the types of people we have making decisions in this country
I mean if UK wants to provide Tomahawk what assets can they use? Only 5 SSN because no Type 45 DDG is equipped to launch Tomahawk, how useful would it be if Type 45 could support other NATO nations with Tomahawks of required, because of this handicap a Royal Navy SSN has always got to be stations off the East of Suez at all times further tieing down RN assets
A decade ago we had 32 DDG and FFG today we have just 19, usually we have 1/3 of that operational at any time so really that leaves us with just 6 ships, how can you fulfil so many obligations with so little ships
Type 45 is widely advertised at the £1 billon DDG but had we made all 12 units the unit cost would be lower and we could have added in Tomahawk with not much extra cost because we would split it on 12 units rather than 6
So you see when you hear that 12 F35B will equip Queen Elizabeth chances are that is what is likely to happen because a very worrying throught makes you see the past mistakes with no corrections or learning every happening, our politicians are too busy filling thier pockets with £££ to worry about these issues
Lets just think about this, just 6 DDG are meant to do anti-piracy, narcotics, anti-terrorists, NATO deployments, national security, deterrence and a whole host of other issues, who in the right mind would call for such low numbers
Well you would think common sense would prevail and they do add more but unfortunately I would not be so hopeful
When you have high ranking defence officials calling for Prince Of Wales to be sold off to a 'friendly' country, or kept in reserve or as a training ship you see the types of people we have making decisions in this country
I mean if UK wants to provide Tomahawk what assets can they use? Only 5 SSN because no Type 45 DDG is equipped to launch Tomahawk, how useful would it be if Type 45 could support other NATO nations with Tomahawks of required, because of this handicap a Royal Navy SSN has always got to be stations off the East of Suez at all times further tieing down RN assets
A decade ago we had 32 DDG and FFG today we have just 19, usually we have 1/3 of that operational at any time so really that leaves us with just 6 ships, how can you fulfil so many obligations with so little ships
Type 45 is widely advertised at the £1 billon DDG but had we made all 12 units the unit cost would be lower and we could have added in Tomahawk with not much extra cost because we would split it on 12 units rather than 6
So you see when you hear that 12 F35B will equip Queen Elizabeth chances are that is what is likely to happen because a very worrying throught makes you see the past mistakes with no corrections or learning every happening, our politicians are too busy filling thier pockets with £££ to worry about these issues
Lets just think about this, just 6 DDG are meant to do anti-piracy, narcotics, anti-terrorists, NATO deployments, national security, deterrence and a whole host of other issues, who in the right mind would call for such low numbers
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How would the UK pay for more? If you read the Daily Telegraph about the prospects of the UK economy .....
timepass
Brigadier
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UK should outsource next order of 6 DDGs to China. At least the labor cost would be cheap
UK should outsource next order of 6 DDGs to China. At least the labor cost would be cheap