F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
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couple flaws in your assessment...first off 9.9Gs sounds great on paper but the human pilot is not capable of sustaining such high Gs unless there is some breakthrough in flightsuit technologies.
second is co$t (the entire argument)... yes an F-35 is more capable than an A-10 but you can buy 10 A-10s for one F-35. If I'm a grunt surrounded and trapped by enemy armor or infantry I would rather have 10 A-10s raining down thousands of 30mm depleted uranium shells and salvos of Hellfires or dozens guided rockets than a single F-35 dropping a JDAM from 10k ft no matter how accurate it is.
couple flaws in your assessment...first off 9.9Gs sounds great on paper but the human pilot is not capable of sustaining such high Gs unless there is some breakthrough in flightsuit technologies.
second is co$t (the entire argument)... yes an F-35 is more capable than an A-10 but you can buy 10 A-10s for one F-35. If I'm a grunt surrounded and trapped by enemy armor or infantry I would rather have 10 A-10s raining down thousands of 30mm depleted uranium shells and salvos of Hellfires or dozens guided rockets than a single F-35 dropping a JDAM from 10k ft no matter how accurate it is.
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread
Just make sure you don't edit your post after the election alright? That is, 100 bucks if Romney won and decide to reopen F-22 production line after the election. Let's make it fair, let's say if he have made any announcement to that effect within 6 month of taking office.
But something tells me you are going to be off the hook, because Obama will probably won this one.
Just make sure you don't edit your post after the election alright? That is, 100 bucks if Romney won and decide to reopen F-22 production line after the election. Let's make it fair, let's say if he have made any announcement to that effect within 6 month of taking office.
But something tells me you are going to be off the hook, because Obama will probably won this one.
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread
First off, you are wrong, there are few flaws in the Air Force Brats logic or reasoning, secondly I stated that the A model is rated for 9gs, it actually hit 9.9 and I didn't believe it either, so I was wrong also, I did not state sustained 9.9, just hit it during a test point. Secondly the Raptor will sustain 9.5 in a steady state turn, "AS LONG AS YOU CAN TAKE,, OR UNTIL YOU RUN OUT OF GAS"!. Gen Norton Scwhartz stated a Raptor will sustain a 6g turn at 50,000 ft, and asked what other aircraft can do that? Meaning, aint no other aircraft can do that! If you would read my posts, you would have been educated by now, but I will state it once again, the Raptor is limited by its human element, it operates in a rarified environment, The J-20, F-60, nor the T-50 will NEVER match the F-22 period exclamation point! as the old Haybusa add used to say, It ain't bragging if its true!
Secondly, Raptor pilots have an upper pressure vest, it also functions to increase the pilots G-tolerance, the Raptor pilot has the most capable G-suit in the world, one of the posters on our sister forum laughed at me cause he said that Aussies only have g-pants, no such thing as a g-suit, he was wrong to, the fine old Hornet will only pull 7gs. The upper pressure vest is likely the source of the Raptor pilots shortness of breath, faulty valving on some allowed it to stay inflated after the g loading diminished, the Raptor cough is likely the result of pushing Oxygen levels, in the mistaken idea that it would help. Those are issues with life support, not a primary aircraft issue as assumed and maintained by the ill informed yet today!
No one on this forum knows the actual limits of our little "alien fighter", including you sir! but then that brings me to my third and final conclusion.
Thirdly, you are a grunt on the ground, a "ground pounder", nobody, and I do mean nobody, gives a KRAP what you think about air cover! Surprise, Surprise, Surprise, SGT CARTER! they don't do surveys asking grunts what aircraft they would like to deliver that aircover, thats why the Army has Helos, that do very well at such things, thats why the Air Force developed the A-10, back when pilots were running the Air Force. The US gov cancelled the F-22 because of whiney ground pounders like Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Gates, and promoted the F-35 as the B-all and End all of Aircraft, it is a STRIKE aircraft, and congressmen and women, who get pork money, axed the Raptor to save their own bacon, sorry the country is governed by civilians, who likely can't tell and don't care which end of an aircraft is the pointy end, as long as they get a little cash on the side. Mr. Obey is a Dem congressman who inserted the obey amendment that forbid the selling of F-22s to our allies, in order to protect JSF, lots of folks would still like a Raptor, instead there gonna get an F-35, so we might as well get over it and love the little ThunderChicken, cause that friends is what the US gov is gonna give ya! Sorry, they took away your Colt .45 too, and in fact most grunts aren't even issued a hand gun, only the special ops guys get the good toys, sorry about that too. Thats why your Daddy told you to go to School! I'm goin to bed, g'night kwaigonegon, remeber to Read the Brats post, we will tell ya the truth, the whole truth, and nothin but the truth, so help me God! If I am wrong I will apologize, and if you check my posts, you WILL find a few apolgies, and I'm sorry about that too, cause I like being right!
Oh and lots of luck buying those A-10s, they are in short supply and are getting new center sections and outer wing panels with thicker skins, they are a much better close air support aircraft than the F-35, and you R right on the money about that, but if you bought them today, they would be a little cheaper than out little thunderchicken, but not much, thats why the F-35 beat out the F-22, so much cheaper to buy and operate, right?
First off, you are wrong, there are few flaws in the Air Force Brats logic or reasoning, secondly I stated that the A model is rated for 9gs, it actually hit 9.9 and I didn't believe it either, so I was wrong also, I did not state sustained 9.9, just hit it during a test point. Secondly the Raptor will sustain 9.5 in a steady state turn, "AS LONG AS YOU CAN TAKE,, OR UNTIL YOU RUN OUT OF GAS"!. Gen Norton Scwhartz stated a Raptor will sustain a 6g turn at 50,000 ft, and asked what other aircraft can do that? Meaning, aint no other aircraft can do that! If you would read my posts, you would have been educated by now, but I will state it once again, the Raptor is limited by its human element, it operates in a rarified environment, The J-20, F-60, nor the T-50 will NEVER match the F-22 period exclamation point! as the old Haybusa add used to say, It ain't bragging if its true!
Secondly, Raptor pilots have an upper pressure vest, it also functions to increase the pilots G-tolerance, the Raptor pilot has the most capable G-suit in the world, one of the posters on our sister forum laughed at me cause he said that Aussies only have g-pants, no such thing as a g-suit, he was wrong to, the fine old Hornet will only pull 7gs. The upper pressure vest is likely the source of the Raptor pilots shortness of breath, faulty valving on some allowed it to stay inflated after the g loading diminished, the Raptor cough is likely the result of pushing Oxygen levels, in the mistaken idea that it would help. Those are issues with life support, not a primary aircraft issue as assumed and maintained by the ill informed yet today!
No one on this forum knows the actual limits of our little "alien fighter", including you sir! but then that brings me to my third and final conclusion.
Thirdly, you are a grunt on the ground, a "ground pounder", nobody, and I do mean nobody, gives a KRAP what you think about air cover! Surprise, Surprise, Surprise, SGT CARTER! they don't do surveys asking grunts what aircraft they would like to deliver that aircover, thats why the Army has Helos, that do very well at such things, thats why the Air Force developed the A-10, back when pilots were running the Air Force. The US gov cancelled the F-22 because of whiney ground pounders like Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Gates, and promoted the F-35 as the B-all and End all of Aircraft, it is a STRIKE aircraft, and congressmen and women, who get pork money, axed the Raptor to save their own bacon, sorry the country is governed by civilians, who likely can't tell and don't care which end of an aircraft is the pointy end, as long as they get a little cash on the side. Mr. Obey is a Dem congressman who inserted the obey amendment that forbid the selling of F-22s to our allies, in order to protect JSF, lots of folks would still like a Raptor, instead there gonna get an F-35, so we might as well get over it and love the little ThunderChicken, cause that friends is what the US gov is gonna give ya! Sorry, they took away your Colt .45 too, and in fact most grunts aren't even issued a hand gun, only the special ops guys get the good toys, sorry about that too. Thats why your Daddy told you to go to School! I'm goin to bed, g'night kwaigonegon, remeber to Read the Brats post, we will tell ya the truth, the whole truth, and nothin but the truth, so help me God! If I am wrong I will apologize, and if you check my posts, you WILL find a few apolgies, and I'm sorry about that too, cause I like being right!
Oh and lots of luck buying those A-10s, they are in short supply and are getting new center sections and outer wing panels with thicker skins, they are a much better close air support aircraft than the F-35, and you R right on the money about that, but if you bought them today, they would be a little cheaper than out little thunderchicken, but not much, thats why the F-35 beat out the F-22, so much cheaper to buy and operate, right?
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It would never ever never have even occured to me to edit my post brother, and I really do Like you, because you think, state your opinion, and you are bone hard headed, and I admire that, and my wifey tells me I like to argue. So lets give him a year, but you r probably right, we will likely know within the first six months. I am very encouraged that Mr Romney will in fact win, in spite of the liberal media being the BHO public relations staff, and I will gladly pay up if Romney wins and BHO losses. I do think you will come to admire the F-35, I have had to back-pedal on some of my early opinions and statements, which if you look back in my old posts you will find mirror your present concerns. Have a good day Jack and blessings to you brother, thanks for being here and kicking in your two cents, thats what makes Sino D the best military forum, that and outstanding moderation by our brothers who share our interest and concerns as well as their time and expertise.
It would never ever never have even occured to me to edit my post brother, and I really do Like you, because you think, state your opinion, and you are bone hard headed, and I admire that, and my wifey tells me I like to argue. So lets give him a year, but you r probably right, we will likely know within the first six months. I am very encouraged that Mr Romney will in fact win, in spite of the liberal media being the BHO public relations staff, and I will gladly pay up if Romney wins and BHO losses. I do think you will come to admire the F-35, I have had to back-pedal on some of my early opinions and statements, which if you look back in my old posts you will find mirror your present concerns. Have a good day Jack and blessings to you brother, thanks for being here and kicking in your two cents, thats what makes Sino D the best military forum, that and outstanding moderation by our brothers who share our interest and concerns as well as their time and expertise.
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I do believe I used the term C-note, which is fairly specific, my wife works at the bank so after she kills me for opening my mouth, she would be happy to convert Jacks coin into usd or vica versa. She really will kill me if I have to pay up, but that will at least mean that Romney won!
You gentlemen forgot to agree wether it's going to be in US dollars or China RMB payment...LOL!
I do believe I used the term C-note, which is fairly specific, my wife works at the bank so after she kills me for opening my mouth, she would be happy to convert Jacks coin into usd or vica versa. She really will kill me if I have to pay up, but that will at least mean that Romney won!
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread
A new coalition will soon be presented to the Dutch parliament and one of the points in the agreement between the two parties in that coalition concerns F-35. The case for buying them is to be reconsidered by a commision that will report at the end of next year. If the things are to be bought army and navy budgets will have to be scaled back considerably because buying and using the things is a large multiple of the costs that were expected when they were ordered.
Let's see what happens in December next year.
A new coalition will soon be presented to the Dutch parliament and one of the points in the agreement between the two parties in that coalition concerns F-35. The case for buying them is to be reconsidered by a commision that will report at the end of next year. If the things are to be bought army and navy budgets will have to be scaled back considerably because buying and using the things is a large multiple of the costs that were expected when they were ordered.
Let's see what happens in December next year.
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1st, of course, Romney has got to win. No money paid either way either for him winning or losing, but in order for this deal to go forward, he clearly has to win.
2nd, Romney has got to actually have the line being actively worked on for re-opening before the end of his first term. Maybe not ready yet...but actively being worked on after all the conressional business that would make that possible. That constitues more than an "announcement" which might be made, but never get accomplished.
Under those conditions I will enter into the C-Note deal, paying out if he does not, receiving payment if he does.
A lot will depend of course on the Congress, and I am also giving him past the mid-terms to ensure that he has a solid congress to go along with and inact the legislation necessary to accomplish this.
That's as far as I am willing to go...otherwise, no deal for me and you and Brat can work out your own conditions between yourselves.
Heck, the way I see it, if Romney gets in and if he is able to do his magic on the economy...four years from now things will be booming to the point where I will not miss a C-Note anyway...hehehe. LOL!
Six months is too short depending on the Congress and the economy. He has to have more time. So here are my caviates for the deal:
1st, of course, Romney has got to win. No money paid either way either for him winning or losing, but in order for this deal to go forward, he clearly has to win.
2nd, Romney has got to actually have the line being actively worked on for re-opening before the end of his first term. Maybe not ready yet...but actively being worked on after all the conressional business that would make that possible. That constitues more than an "announcement" which might be made, but never get accomplished.
Under those conditions I will enter into the C-Note deal, paying out if he does not, receiving payment if he does.
A lot will depend of course on the Congress, and I am also giving him past the mid-terms to ensure that he has a solid congress to go along with and inact the legislation necessary to accomplish this.
That's as far as I am willing to go...otherwise, no deal for me and you and Brat can work out your own conditions between yourselves.
Heck, the way I see it, if Romney gets in and if he is able to do his magic on the economy...four years from now things will be booming to the point where I will not miss a C-Note anyway...hehehe. LOL!
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I will be happy to pay up, because that will mean Romney won, of which I am fairly confident, but prayerfull!
I will be happy to pay up, because that will mean Romney won, of which I am fairly confident, but prayerfull!