F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Jeff Head

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I will be happy to pay up, because that will mean Romney won, of which I am fairly confident, but prayerfull!
The F-35 is proceeding. It has reached some pretty significant numbers now. I love this pic of two F-35Cs flying in formation. We will be seeing a lot more of that in the future once these aircraft get embarked on US carrier decks.

Exciting times!


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Air Force Brat

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The F-35 is proceeding. It has reached some pretty significant numbers now. I love this pic of two F-35Cs flying in formation. We will be seeing a lot more of that in the future once these aircraft get embarked on US carrier decks.

Exciting times!


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I have alluded to the fact that I, the Air Force Brat, will now issue another famous apology, I am in fact starting to like this airplane a lot. It would appear that I may have underestimated my little ThunderHogg, I still think thats a great name, given her abundance of airplane to love appearance. Now Jeff, my engineer buddy, If you could graft the Cs wing and tail feathers onto the A, eliminate the folding mechanism, we could prolly get her back up to 9gs or so,fill those wings with fuel and we could eliminate at least one of the F-35s criticisms, that she will be short legged on internal fuel.? No, I'm serious about the apology [its still dumb to only have one engine on a carrier aircraft], but I just want to start the Great Headmasters wheels turning, he likes these intellectual exercises. LOL
 

Jeff Head

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I have alluded to the fact that I, the Air Force Brat, will now issue another famous apology, I am in fact starting to like this airplane a lot. It would appear that I may have underestimated my little ThunderHogg, I still think thats a great name, given her abundance of airplane to love appearance. Now Jeff, my engineer buddy, If you could graft the Cs wing and tail feathers onto the A, eliminate the folding mechanism, we could prolly get her back up to 9gs or so,fill those wings with fuel and we could eliminate at least one of the F-35s criticisms, that she will be short legged on internal fuel.? No, I'm serious about the apology [its still dumb to only have one engine on a carrier aircraft], but I just want to start the Great Headmasters wheels turning, he likes these intellectual exercises. LOL
All they would actually need to do is put the liighter landing carriage onto the "C", remove the tailhook, make the wings a single piece with no folding for carrier storage, and call it the "A". Finis, a new, longer range, higher capabilitiy F-35A.

But one that is also not quite as manueveraable.

As to a single engine...yes two is better than one, but the U.S. experiences with the F-8, the A-4, the A-7, etc. tell us that is can work out alright.
 
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Air Force Brat

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All they would actually need to do is put the liighter landing carriage onto the "C", remove the tailhook, and call it the "A". Finis, a new, longer range, higher capabilitiy F-35A.

As to a single engine...yes two is better than one, but our experiences with the F-8, the A-4, the A-7, etc. tell us that is can work out alright.

I'll buy that, in fact I'll buy two, probably don't need the folding mechanism for the wings either?
 

Franklin

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Lockheed’s Dubious Claim: Stealth Fighter Will Get Stealthier With Age

There have been a lot of sketchy claims made about the long-delayed, over-budget F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, history’s most expensive weapon program. But this one takes the cake. According to Stephen O’Bryan, a vice president at F-35-maker Lockheed Martin, the radar-evading jet fighter will actually get stealthier over time — without any upgrades.

To be clear, every other stealth warplane has steadily lost its ability to dodge enemy radars owing to wear and tear on the plane’s special skin coating. Not so the F-35, O’Bryan said.

In the latest issue of Air Force magazine, O’Bryan insisted the single-engine JSF, which is projected to cost $1 trillion to develop, buy and maintain, is fundamentally different than its predecessors. “The surface material smooths out over time, slightly reducing the F-35’s original radar signature, according to the Lockheed Martin official,” John Tirpak wrote.

With the older F-22, B-2 and F-117 stealth warplanes, the opposite happened. All three of the previous models saw their surfaces gradually degrade and all required expensive upgrades just to maintain their radar-avoiding qualities at the original levels. In light of other empty promises Lockheed has made regarding the F-35, it’s highly unlikely the new jet will buck this historical trend.

Looking back, the 59 Lockheed-made F-117s, retired in 2008, was by all accounts a nightmare to maintain — a consequence of its 1970s-vintage technology. The F-117 owed its stealthiness to its angular shape, putty and later tape to cover radar-reflective seams in the fuselage and an external coating of radar-absorbing material.

The F-117s were hand-built by Lockheed, each to a slightly different design with varying levels of stealth. Maintaining them was said to be more of an art than a science. Over time, that only increased the jets’ differences — and their visibility to sensors. Starting in 1999, the Air Force spent roughly $1 million per plane to normalize the fleet. “Standardizing the configuration will preserve radar cross-section performance,” the Federation of American Scientists explained.

The 21 B-2s, manufactured by Northrop Grumman in the late ’80s and ’90s, were based on more sophisticated technology than were the F-117s, with smooth surfaces replacing the sharp angles. But like the F-117s, the larger B-2s lost their radar-defeating edge over time. In particular, the radar-absorbing material surrounding the B-2′s engines cracked and disintegrated in the extreme heat of the jet exhaust, compromising the bomber’s stealth. In 2010 the Air Force Research Laboratory demonstrated a new composite material meant to better resist the heat.

Likewise, the 187 F-22s that Lockheed built for the Air Force ending this year also required upgrades just to maintain their elusiveness. A Washington Post investigation in 2009 found that the F-22s’ radar-absorbing coatings could be damaged by rain — a claim the Air Force denied.

In any event, “the number of maintenance personnel required to maintain the F-22A’s specialized stealth exterior has increased, posing a continuing support challenge for this aircraft,” the Government Accountability Office warned in May. Now the Air Force is installing new, more robust stealthy components under the $1.3 billion Reliability and Maintainability Maturation Program.

Lockheed’s O’Bryan told reporter Tirpak that the F-35′s advanced technology will reverse this trend of gradually eroded stealth. In contrast to old-style coatings, “the conductive materials needed to absorb and disperse incoming radar energy [on the F-35] are baked directly into the aircraft’s multilayer composite skin and structure,” Tirpak reported, citing O’Bryan.

Over time the JSF’s skin will settle, O’Bryan boasted, making it even smoother and more radar-evasive — all without any of the expensive upgrades required by previous stealth planes.

The F-35, of which the Pentagon plans to buy more than 2,400, is a brand-new design that’s still only part-way through testing, so it’s impossible to verify O’Bryan’s claim. Only time will tell for sure.

But it’s worth noting the extreme pressure on O’Bryan and other Lockheed execs to extol, even exaggerate, the F-35′s capabilities. When JSF development began around 15 years ago, only the U.S. possessed stealth warplanes. But today Russia, Japan and most notably China are also working on their own radar-defeating models. It’s no longer enough for the F-35 to merely duplicate the skills of older U.S. stealth jets; it must significantly improve on them in order to stay ahead of foreign rivals. In this context it’s not hard to see why O’Bryan would promise the impossible, or at least improbable.

That said, Lockheed officials have made unlikely claims before. Back when the F-35 was still on the drawing board, the firm said the new plane would perform better than conventional fighters such as the F-16 — and would be cheaper, to boot. Neither claim turned out to be true. Nor did the F-35 enter service in 2008, as originally promised.

So when O’Bryan insists his company’s new stealth fighter will dodge a problem that has vexed every previous radar-evading jet, it’s wise to be very, very skeptical.

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Air Force Brat

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While we all realize that he is bragging, the coatings on the F-35 are being adapted to the F-22, so he makes no quantitative claim like a percentage, what he is stating factually is that the radar absorbing coatings on the F-35 adhere better, and like a stone in the middle of a fast current tend to lose their rough edges in time. Since in fact we know this coating does in fact stay where it is placed and doesn't need replaced after every mission, it is likely a true observation.

Our last election proves the social liberals are not concerned with our national defense, nor protecting our borders, as long as everyone gets their hand-out. They seem to love attacking the unborn, the elderly, marriage and the military, and our country is poorer and in more danger because of their class warfare. Thats not politics or religion, its is in fact merely an observation.

So I expect LockMart to sell airplanes gentlemen, they are in fact the folks who continue to provide competitive, succesfull, military equipment, that often outperforms the other guys proposed equipment. Looking at the F-35 and the X-32 I would have to state for the record that the F-35 was/is the right choice. It will likely continue to get better as all the kinks are worked out of it.

Defense Journo's are also "selling stuff", good and bad, so weigh carefully what you want to "buy", but the bread and butter right now is to attack the poor little "thunder hogg", and any other piece of military equipment thats having growing pains, and the social liberals love this "stuff", and it does sell. I have been a critic of the F-35 and its cost, and will continue to be, but in my honest opinion, this is a "cheap shot", I wouldn't get to excited about it, they"re just selling more "stuff". Y'all have a nice day and keep praying, cause we're all in a mess! Brat
 

collins

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could drones be a better option for AUstralia?

Or land-based ballistic missiles as a credit deterrence?
 
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kei3000

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Once a squadron of F-35 VTOL takes off from a carrier together, I`m sure it will be a magnificent sight.
 
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