F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

[Air Force Brat]

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excellent find Jura! and all the more reason to admire your crazy kool ability to find things that are relevant! Would be kool to be a little bird, and find out how these two great airplanes match-up when they go head to head?, This will be a key IMHO to bringing the F-35 boys up to speed, the match-up will be instructive to both teams no doubt????

 

[Jeff Head]

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Brat, you will love these:

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[A Bar Brother]

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Some think that about the A-10, others do not, including myself.

The A-10 is anything but an "underperformer." That type of terminology is used by some officers who want to spend the money that the A-10 uses (which is dirt cheap by today's standards for maintenance) and eat that money up for other programs they are connected with.

We will see who prevails I suppose.

However, to date the A-10 has performed very well in those environs whenever called upon...and some of the nations had decent anti-air. The US can and has used aircraft like the F-117, Strike Eagles, and others (and this will include the F-35) to take down those capabilities lessening the danger for an A-10.

I believe we will see the A-10s around for a good deal longer...and hope that is the case. The impact to the foot soldiers is also a HUGE factor...and they have made it perfectly clear what they prefer.

Think about it this way. What if the US Army is at the receiving end of the A-10? Does the US Army have the type of assets that can fight the A-10? Yes. And MANPADs are plenty enough against such threats. Now, different armies have different quantities of MANPADs equipped. And the newest MANPADs are extremely hard to evade. India recently tested many of them and supposedly found the Swedish RBS-70NG to be the best.

A-10s operate in conditions of partial or complete air superiority, a condition that is not guaranteed in a decade from now. And past performance for low altitude flight is no longer an indicator of success in the future. Kargil already proved that to us, that's why the IAF has decided to rely on Su-30MKI and Rafale for CAS duties. 2 MKI squadrons have been assigned to dedicated CAS squadrons.

The foot soldiers are happy with the current performance of the A-10. An unhindered A-10 could be a game changer. But that's the magic word, unhindered. Nobody has questioned the efficacy of the A-10, what's in question is survivability. Now the bad guys get the first shot, probably even the second and third shot. Latest LLQRMs have become even more deadly. That A-10 is not going anywhere.

 

[Air Force Brat]

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Brat, you will love these:

Oh yes...believe it!​

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[Air Force Brat]

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Think about it this way. What if the US Army is at the receiving end of the A-10? Does the US Army have the type of assets that can fight the A-10? Yes. And MANPADs are plenty enough against such threats. Now, different armies have different quantities of MANPADs equipped. And the newest MANPADs are extremely hard to evade. India recently tested many of them and supposedly found the Swedish RBS-70NG to be the best.

A-10s operate in conditions of partial or complete air superiority, a condition that is not guaranteed in a decade from now. And past performance for low altitude flight is no longer an indicator of success in the future. Kargil already proved that to us, that's why the IAF has decided to rely on Su-30MKI and Rafale for CAS duties. 2 MKI squadrons have been assigned to dedicated CAS squadrons.

The foot soldiers are happy with the current performance of the A-10. An unhindered A-10 could be a game changer. But that's the magic word, unhindered. Nobody has questioned the efficacy of the A-10, what's in question is survivability. Now the bad guys get the first shot, probably even the second and third shot. Latest LLQRMs have become even more deadly. That A-10 is not going anywhere.

Irrelevant! The US Army has not had to deal with Enemy Air since about 1953, thanks to the USAF, Naval Air,and Marines!

but I see your point, but Jeff and others point is that the A-10 alone is able to get into those nooks and crannies and find those little buggars, and shoot em up. It will not go in without the F-35 flying top cover, and the F-35 will also be very good at scopin out those little buggars. Ya need a boot to stomp out the little cock-roaches, no need to have an M-4, when the boot will perform much more efficiently!

 

[HMS Astute]

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Has the stealth feature of 5th generation aircraft become useless?

China's JY-26 counter stealth radar, which is said to have successfully detected an US Air Force F-22 fighter over the skies of South Korea, was among five radar systems displayed by the People's Liberation Army Air Force at the 10th Zhuhai Air Show also known as the China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition, according to our Chinese-language sister newspaper Want Daily.

The YLC-20, the YLC-2V, the YLC-8B, and the advanced three-dimensional target tracking and acquisition radar were the other four on display.

Designed to detect the fifth-generation stealth fighter, the JY-26 is capable of detecting aircraft as far away as 500 kilometers. A source from the China Electronics Technology Group Corporation told Want Daily that the JY-26 had once detected a F-22 Raptor fighter in South Korean airspace when deployed to Shandong province in northern China.
If the JY-26 is able to detect the movement of the F-22, it will become a serious threat to the F-35 fighters purchased by Japan and the South Korea in the future. The radar system can enhance the abilities of the PLA Air Force to monitor the activities of stealth fighters belonging to the Japan Air Self Defense Force and the Republic of Korea Air Force, which may serve as the PLA's answer to the US Asia pivot strategy..

 

[kwaigonegin]

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My point was the Generals think it doesn't matter if it is an A-10 or a F-35. It flies low, it dies. There is only so much armor on aircraft, making the A-10 a bit of a underperformer in "today's" battlefield.

At medium altitude and with weapons like the Spear, there shouldn't be an armored column today that would survive a F-35. The British have demonstrated that with older aircraft and weapons like the Tornado and Brimstone.

Depends on who you're fighting. As advanced as weapon systems have come nowadays the truth is a good 75% of the world's armies nevermind terrorist organizations do not have the type of advanced S2A weapon systems you mentioned. For those types of operations especially in an open battlefield like deserts etc an A-10A is still the prefered choice IMHO.

 

[A Bar Brother]

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Depends on who you're fighting. As advanced as weapon systems have come nowadays the truth is a good 75% of the world's armies nevermind terrorist organizations do not have the type of advanced S2A weapon systems you mentioned. For those types of operations especially in an open battlefield like deserts etc an A-10A is still the prefered choice IMHO.

I would definitely agree with this. I was basing my points on engaging a resurrected Soviet Union or a future China. In the end it's an economic decision. If Congress allows it, you may be able to keep both the A-10 and the F-35. But if it comes to choosing one over the other, I would definitely pick the F-35, even if the A-10 is better than the F-35 in its role.

I mean, if push comes to shove, I would rather have 1763 F-35s in operation instead of a lesser number of F-35s and 200+ A-10s during a war with China. You can fight terrorists and win, with or without the A-10, but whether you can fight China with a lesser number of F-35s or not, that's not a good risk to take. By the time you have your 1763 F-35s by 2037, they may have twice as many 5th gen fighters.

You know? Worst case scenario.

 

[Air Force Brat]

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I would definitely agree with this. I was basing my points on engaging a resurrected Soviet Union or a future China. In the end it's an economic decision. If Congress allows it, you may be able to keep both the A-10 and the F-35. But if it comes to choosing one over the other, I would definitely pick the F-35, even if the A-10 is better than the F-35 in its role.

I mean, if push comes to shove, I would rather have 1763 F-35s in operation instead of a lesser number of F-35s and 200+ A-10s during a war with China. You can fight terrorists and win, with or without the A-10, but whether you can fight China with a lesser number of F-35s or not, that's not a good risk to take. By the time you have your 1763 F-35s by 2037, they may have twice as many 5th gen fighters.

You know? Worst case scenario.

I believe we are not supposed to label potential opponents Brother, it is ok to characterize them, so for what its worth, I still have very high hopes that the US and China will have a meeting of the minds, and resolve many of their differences. Having said that, there is one loose cannon who needs to be "shut down", with the loss of a civilian airliner, incursions in to sovereign nations, simulated attacks, etc, etc, etc, I am absolutely in favor of keeping both A-10 and F-35, as tanks and heavy armor figure in this rogue nations bullying, but if I could only have one, I'm going to build the F-35, as the A-10 would not be a very survivable platform in a serious engagement, the F-35 would give you a fighting chance at least.

 

[A Bar Brother]

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I believe we are not supposed to label potential opponents Brother, it is ok to characterize them, so for what its worth, I still have very high hopes that the US and China will have a meeting of the minds, and resolve many of their differences.

That's a good thing. We can only hope for the best, but we can try to prepare for the worst.